Thread: Sleep paralysis, how to I achieve an LD instead of OBE?

I know exactly how you feel. Except it's not that I dont want to astral project as much as I am frightened in the sense that I dont understand it. I mean, if I could convince myself that no harm would come to me it'd be a different story. It's kind of like trying to convince yourself to go onto a rollercoaster when you're a kid. The thing is, that I just dont want to meet any particularly mean characters in the astral plane. If there weren't any, that'd be awesome. Im sure that isnt the case though.

Like the other guy said, it's probably really hard to astral project accidentally, even when trying to WILD. It just doesnt seem like something you COULD do on accident or it would happen all the time. And even if it did, you mistook it for a dream anyway so whats the harm.

Originally Posted by SpanishFlea

I know exactly how you feel. Except it's not that I dont want to astral project as much as I am frightened in the sense that I dont understand it. I mean, if I could convince myself that no harm would come to me it'd be a different story. It's kind of like trying to convince yourself to go onto a rollercoaster when you're a kid. The thing is, that I just dont want to meet any particularly mean characters in the astral plane. If there weren't any, that'd be awesome. Im sure that isnt the case though.

Like the other guy said, it's probably really hard to astral project accidentally, even when trying to WILD. It just doesnt seem like something you COULD do on accident or it would happen all the time. And even if it did, you mistook it for a dream anyway so whats the harm.

Mehh that too. I just don't want to do it because it sounds shamanistic to me. Christians and spirit walking don't seem to go together

Originally Posted by hellohihello

Christians and spirit walking don't seem to go together

I'm not so sure. I believe in God more than practically anyone else, and I wouldn't mind Astral Walking. By the way, is it possible to go Astral Walking from a lucid dream? or do you have to begin with an Astral intention?

if you have real faith in christ, you would have no fear

why would you be afraid to travel into the astral? do you want to meet an angel? Do you want to meet Christ? All things are possible. Or are you going to live in fear your whole life of the unknown, out of some ignorant idea that God wants to keep you in the dark? Or worse, that your somehow such an unworthy soul God doesnt even want you to experience anything spiritual or mystical?

I believe in the God that happens his hands widely and offers us truth. Not in the God that says do not ask, do not question, do not know, do not, do not, do not

the truth is, you're just afraid of that which you do not understand

don't use Christianity as an excuse of your own fears

Originally Posted by Apopholis

I'm not so sure. I believe in God more than practically anyone else, and I wouldn't mind Astral Walking. By the way, is it possible to go Astral Walking from a lucid dream? or do you have to begin with an Astral intention?

have you ever WILD from a lucid dream? it works a bit like that

from the lucid dream you intend to return to your body and project out. Thats the idea at least. I've only tried it once in a dream when I first became interested in the astral

I yelled 'take me to the astral!', to..well the dream. I slammed back into my body. Then I immediately spiraled through a tunnel up. Everything went black, and when I opened my eyes I was in a new world, as vivid and solid as can be. Including my own body. I didn't feel light or airy, I felt as I feel right now. Breathing, weight. I was in a temple of some sorts and there were monks chanting. One greeted me, and I asked him if I was in the astral

he smiled and said yes

and I was like "yeah right, you gotta be joking!"

I wake up shortly after. I doubt my own experiences, but the experience was awesome. WILDing from a dream, lucid or astral, doesn't matter. Best thing to do while lucid is WILD

APrs believe dreams take place in the astral. Yet they also say you need to go back into your body from the lucid dream and project back out to reach the astral-public-area.

Well I had one strange dream where the environment was enclosed with walls. I wasn't trying to go to the 'astral', I just wanted to escape the enclosed environment. Every time I go through one of these walls - which were thick - one of them was eight feet thick - my lucidity would increase. And the dream environment would become less and less surreal and more and more solid.

Eventually the last barrier was a glass wall. I didn't need to break though it this time, for my convenience, there was a sliding door.

That was the last wall I went through, and the environment on the other side was so damn real - I can't even tell you what the difference is after waking. Not to mention my dream characters were telling me, that I was their dream character! After examining my environment extensively, I only found one big difference, I could fly

Im interested in the astral

but I do complain to astral projectors all the time, how do you know if you are in the astral? and not a super vivid lucid dream?

the best answer I got so far was, if it was the astral, you can revisit the place again and again. And revisit people again and again. Unlike dreams, that seem to reconstruct themselves every night

so until I visit the temple monks again - its a lucid dream for now

well its pretty easy to know for me, i just talk to someone
usually in lucid dreams, my dc's are dumb as shit, i cant carry a conversation with someone who dribbles random shit....but on the astral is a other story
i can ask questions, and they actually answer my questions!!!

acillis
How you achieve "astral", and how do you distinguish astral from regular LD? (I wonder if I ever get answer to this two simple questions).

when your within a lucid dream, your in a type of bubble, where you have upmost control, total control... blah blah blah.

when you wish to journey beyond that bubble, that leads into the astral planes.
but some people just find them selves on the astral without even being in there own bubble...
i suggest, just talk to someone, if they dribble crap, ur in your lucid dream bubble, if they actually can carry a enlightening conversation, your on the astral.... but getting from one bubble to the other can be tricky stuff...
i find my self asking sometimes, how many bubble are out there.....