Thread: Origins

I drew up this expert comic to illustrate a common problem that arises between
atheists and theists. I have heard quite a few times that the universe has to
have come from somewhere, and that it would be "illogical" for it not to have
had a maker. Well, the same question gets posed for God as well. The point is
that such arguments are moot. I just thought it was funny.

Yeah nice one. Basically the creation can in no way be taken as a logical argument for God.

And if there's no evidence then there's no reason to beleive it's true.

You know I read a good book that states that all dualistic arguments are actually fundamentally the same . And that the same solution for one, is the same solution for the other.

The example it gave was between prolifers and prochoicers. After the two had a heated debate, the author of the book now asked the two to come up with a solution together. The solution that both parties agreed upon was "That every child should be wanted and loved!". Now that both parties could agree that this is what they fundamentally want, rather than arguing to or for abortion - the conversation changed. How do we ensure every child is wanted and loved? Now the two parties can converse like human beings and actually come up with something productive then the same endless spiraling debates!

Watch a materialistic atheist go at it with a fundamental christian - and after a while you can't tell who is who!

That would be an amazing thing for the Universe to come from nothing. But I simply can't imagine how that is even possible. The very essence that created the Universe, whether you call it the GREAT SINGULARITY or God, either or is fine, must have always existed. Even you believe the death of a universe created the singularity, even that universe would need the same singularity to give it birth!

And thinking about either is just as amazing. Can you imagine? That we all come from this singularity that always was? Just as we are all sourced from this singularity, so to has God been described the single source of all. No seriously! When ever I get a chance to learn about the singularity and how it eventually became all that we are, its amazing. This is divine stuff here!

I tell you, spirituality and science are looking and observing the SAME phenomenon just from two different perspectives. We can continue arguing to or for God endlessly to no avail, or we can all accept we are simply observing and reflecting the same SOURCE from different perspectives. And the biggest difference is whether or not you see the source as being conscious or not.

But we do all have a source and we all share the same source! Can't we at least talk about what we share?

Originally Posted by juroara

That would be an amazing thing for the Universe to come from nothing. But I simply can't imagine how that is even possible. The very essence that created the Universe, whether you call it the GREAT SINGULARITY or God, either or is fine, must have always existed. Even you believe the death of a universe created the singularity, even that universe would need the same singularity to give it birth!

Isn't this just restating the stuff said in the OP comic.

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

Isn't this just restating the stuff said in the OP comic.

I agree with the original post, if that's what you mean!

Originally Posted by juroara

I agree with the original post, if that's what you mean!

I've got my eye on you, son.

I'm still struggling with a fact that I just learned/finally understood last night, which is that the atoms we are made of are essentially condensed light from the big bang. Holy. Fucking. Shit.

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

Isn't this just restating the stuff said in the OP comic.

Essentially, but sometimes the nuances of a certain situation escape people (like myself), so I'm glad juroara posted what she did. Otherwise, I would have only been left with some vague sense of something. Now I have a concrete idea and some other nice perspectives.

Originally Posted by CanceledCzech

I'm still struggling with a fact that I just learned/finally understood last night, which is that the atoms we are made of are essentially condensed light from the big bang. Holy. Fucking. Shit.

Spoiler for spoiler:

You are made of condensed big bang

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

Spoiler for spoiler:

You are made of condensed big bang

So beautiful ;_;

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

You are made of condensed big bang

Is that a sexual innuendo?

Originally Posted by CanceledCzech

I'm still struggling with a fact that I just learned/finally understood last night, which is that the atoms we are made of are essentially condensed light from the big bang. Holy. Fucking. Shit.

Freaky, right? Trapped energy, basically. Spooky, no?

this point was covered in Dan Barker's godless, I don't know if you've heard of it but it's actually a pretty good book.

I mean, doubtless it has been covered before, that's just the last thing I remember reading that addressed and covered it well.

nevertheless I enjoyed your little illustration. c:

Originally Posted by Mario92

Freaky, right? Trapped energy, basically. Spooky, no?

No. That's really not spooky.

Originally Posted by Invader

I drew up this expert comic to illustrate a common problem that arises between
atheists and theists. I have heard quite a few times that the universe has to
have come from somewhere, and that it would be "illogical" for it not to have
had a maker. Well, the same question gets posed for God as well. The point is
that such arguments are moot. I just thought it was funny.

I should have already mentioned that I think that is hilarious and really profound. It hits the nail right on the head.