Quote Originally Posted by O'nus View Post
Non-existence is a prepositional adjective of something. It is saying that something does not exist. To say nothingness void is to say of all things non-existence. Nay?
Nay. I'm not using prepositional adjectives. I'm using broad terms as "in and of themselves." Non-existence is noun in my case. It means “the absence of existence” itself, and so objective references to such are only hypothetically true. I am saying there is a difference between non-existence and nothingness, as nothingness has a context in existence but has qualities of emptiness. In this way you can say nothing about consciousness being like non-existence, but rather, like nothingness, and therefore, everything. “All encompassing” is the attribute that makes “nothingness” and “everything” indistinguishable from each other, not to mention non-dual.

 Also, going from what’s been mentioned a lot in this thread, the term “pure” can be said to be related to this. Pure consciousness can be analogously related to the screen background or light in a movie theater. Even when there are no objects displayed (I.e. nothingness), the screen/light is still present. This is the case regardless of what is displayed, hence again “all-encompassing.” Just because there is nothing on the screen doesn't mean that the background or light is also non-existent.

Quote Originally Posted by O'nus View Post
I call it energy but you attach conscious thoughts to it.

I do not understand why you would attach cognizance to energy and say that it varies in degree's.
Huh? Please quote me where I’ve said that. That’s not what I meant at all.
Quote Originally Posted by O'nus View Post
What is psychology then?

If you can explain how the scientific paradigm of psychology is in subjective terms, then I agree with you.

The science of psychology is not a person, nor does it have a consciousness, it is the collection of data and research of many people. You may argue that all these people are it's collective consciousness, but psychology exists as a perpetuating science of peer reviewed journals, experiments, scientific method, and more. How could you argue that such a thing is "infinitely subjective" when it is often defined as the most objective thing to exist resting on an objective scientific grounding?

Can you not see why I accuse you of being grossly obsessed with the subjective?

Believe it or not, there would still be a universe if there was nothing to perceive it. A tree makes a sound when it falls down in a forest and there's no one to hear it.



I was using cognitive reasoning as a example of something objective we can observe of all humans psychology.

You are going to ignore this objective consistency in favour of something which you cannot define nor distinguish from nothingness.

Your subjective view of the world is so wound up in subjectivity that it loses all touch with objective reality.

I could be wrong.. please show me how you appreciate the objective side of life.

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Sorry I think we’ve got pretty lost here. I don’t see what this is really about. Let’s go back to the original point you made, which I'm sure had nothing to do with psychology or researching people:


Quote Originally Posted by O'nus View Post
Perhaps you should consider the depth of my argument then.

If it is just nature and forces around us, then consciousness is nothing more than physical energy emanating in our bodies. With that, a "God" would be nothing more than the energy within all things. It is nothing more characteristic than energy.

No personality - as that would require consciousness as we know it.

No morality - as that would require consciousness as we know it.

No subjectivity - as that would require consciousness as we know it.

Just existence.
The last line “Just existence” implies an independent, objective existence. Is that not what you mean? Are you not excluding subjectivity from the matter? I am saying this can never be done while speaking of consciousness, which is, for the third time, all-encompassing. As is infinite subjectivity as context (not content). You can have neither consciousness nor existence without subjectivity.