Quote Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut View Post
This consciousness doesn't develop, it is the same all the time. It is the background consciousness. It was there for as long as I could remember, it will be there if my head gets smashed in and if I become brain damaged. It is there if I drink too much and pass out. Once I stilled my mind via meditation I recognized it. I meditate every night in bed before I go to sleep and that is how I WILD. That consciousness is there throughout all stages of sleep.
Can you distinguish this consciousness from nothing?

You may think that I overestimate consciousness and I think that you underestimate it. But other than that, we both probably agree that if there is a God it isn't some dude with a beard who wants us to worship him and behave ourselves. It would have no desires but our desires we project on to it. Or, in other words, our desires are its desires.
I don't necessarily think you overestimate it, and I don't think I underestimate it. I think the mind is an incredible thing, even enough to mislead someone into thinking it is something more than it is. It's like Plato's cave, but can you come out of the restraints..? Perhaps you think I am in the restraints just because I pontificate materialism, but if I acknowledge that prospect, does that affect your perspective of my position..?

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