Quote Originally Posted by O'nus View Post
What you are doing is exactly what semantics is.

You are saying:
- Consciousness = God
- God = consciousness

This is semantics. You're attaching a conceptual word to another.



Unfortunately, there is no objective means to understanding this. Language functions on objective means. You are trying to objectively define God. God cannot be objectified.

Thus, your argument falls in on itself for your own reasoning. It's not like you're "wrong" just trying too hard to defend yourself when I'm not really arguing anything. You just can't arbitrarily label "consciousness" as "God" an expect it to fly.



I have extensively read about the collective consciousness via Carl Jung - the originator of that term and synchronism.

Keep in mind - they are beliefs which means there is no proof of it. The onus is on you to offer proof and reasoning and yet you cannot. Semantically dodging the idea by associating terms is not an effective means.



Maybe if all consciousness were one. However, the fact is that your phenomenological experience is independent from mine which means that cannot be - yet.

It is just an idea. Don't arbitrarily throw words around and mingle with definitions to try and "prove" something.

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this is very simple, follow me here

I BELIEVE GOD IS CONSCIOUSNESS. I am not arbitrarily throwing around words and mingling definitions just to argue with you. I am telling you...what I HONESTLY BELIEVE. And I can honestly tell you, THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IN THE SAME, and yes that includes others who come from a hindu, christian, jewish, muslim or buddhist background. And I know because I have talked to them.

this is NOT an argument that what I am saying is true. I dont have to bring you the burden of proof because that is not the point I was making

but don't tell me what I do or what I don't believe in. okay?

my argument was SIMPLE. very simple. pay attention. You can not argue with theists who believe God is consciousness, that God is not conscious. For OBVIOUS reasons.

to theists such as me, you argument is pointless because it doesn't even consider our God in your little bubble

just thought you should know.

if you want to continue your stand, then you need to stop pretending that this is not a legitimate belief. Stop calling it semantics and accept it for what it means. Understand the belief, all that it implies, then argue.

there is a difference between not understanding something, because its new to you, and refusing to understand something just so you can make your argument absolute. but all the latter does, is put your argument in a closed box