Thread: The End of Science

I just read this article, that I think you should read too. if you don't read it, you can't really discuss

its about quantum physics, where it's heading and the challenges it has already presented to the scientific community as a whole.

the article first addresses what is science. and how, quantum physics in its own right has stepped out of what we have defined science to be. and stepped into a subjective mysticism

in physics, we have observed a reality where there are no boundaries. and this has made the physician a lot like a mystic - where the mystic begins to talk about a consciousness with no boundaries.

but the article warns against the idea that this means its up to quantum physics to talk about consciousness. there are physicians who want to talk about how the 'observer' fits into quantum physics, reality. the reason, the article is against this is because, you can not do that if you first don't study the 'observer'. that is, the physician has to look first in their own mind - at their own ego before they can tell us what reality is.

as science is reaching its end, leaving the realm of objectivity- we should understand and question the 'who' or the 'minds' in science telling us what our reality is. because their subjective minds are certainly going to color their own data. several wildly different theories are coming from the same bodies of evidence. and while science may not be able to explain WHY we are getting different theories when the evidence is the same - studies about the human ego will tell us why.

it is for this reason I believe the article proposes that science is ending. and now is the time to build and create a new school thought is entirely about the study and research of consciousness. and this time, unlike 20th century studies of consciousness - with a lot more respect to the mystics that scientists themselves are beginning to listen to.


http://www.enspirepress.com/writings...ciousness.html

tl;dr

Of course science isn't just physics, and physics isn't just quantum mechanics. So, unless we someday know everything, science will never end.

Tomorrow maybe I'll read the whole thing and elaborate more.

I'd just like to say a physician is a doctor, not a scientist

Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

I'd just like to say a physician is a doctor, not a scientist

Aye, indeed.

I think Juroara is talking about physicists.

Also, she has little understanding of what Quantum Physics is about.

Science will always be concerned with objective reality, never subjective realities because such things do not exist, neither from a scientific viewpoint nor my own.

There is some validity in saying that science has limits. By many definitions, science is about the empirical, but there is a probably a lot more to reality which can be deduced via pure logic which is not in any way measurable, which is already happening with string theory and such things. At such a point I hesitate to call it science, but rather a mix between mathematics and philosophy, both of which are aspects of and studies of logic which is what I consider to be the ultimate form of reality, the overlord of the three other completely valid realities of the physical, mental, and platonic (of which only the physical is adressed by science)... I suppose metaphysics is the word.

Quantum consciousness is by no way a consensus. In fact it's a minority view by quite a way. Roger Penrose is one of its prime advocates but his claims have been met with many rebuttals, particularly regarding the fact that quantum effects do not actually have much of a bearing at all upon the function of neuron cells as we understand them. Personally I think functionalism is the way forwards. I reckon awareness (I prefer the word awareness as it is pretty much synonymous with my understanding of the word consciousness but less mystical or vague) is the result of a very special circumstances where you have a complex mathematicalal causal network... what exactly it is about the network I am not sure, but I am 95% sure that awareness arises due to what can be seen as the interaction between physical reality and platonic reality. Notice how the concept of causality becomes objective. That is very interesting. The general view is that something makes something else happen because it just does and causality is just an arty way of describing this with no meaning in itself, but what we may think of as the vague causal motions of matter in the brain actually give rise to something which is not vague at all but completely distinct, an objective absolute which either is or isn't there (consciousness). Such absolutes exist nowhere else in physical reality which is why it's so interesting. Only in mathematics do we behold such purity.

quantum physics actually only does not work when applied with relative theory. thats it though, so maybe you should do your homework. This opens a lot of doors for science actually. Science has been proven over god, if the point your trying to make is that science is loosing and god is winning, blah blah blah. But the fact is, is that every church goer out their uses science as a survival instinct, so to say science is irrelevant is the stupidest fucking bullshit have ever heard, and I have heard a lot of bullshit.

Originally Posted by bluefinger

Aye, indeed.


Also, she has little understanding of what Quantum Physics is about.

bluefinger, read the article

thats what this thread is about

it has nothing to do with me

quantum physics actually only does not work when applied with relative theory.

Which one. If you mean special then your wrong, because of Richard Feynman and QED and Paul Dirac. If you mean general relativity then you are correct, however theories have been proposed like supersymmetry and string theory.

there are physicians who want to talk about how the 'observer' fits into quantum physics, reality. the reason, the article is against this is because, you can not do that if you first don't study the 'observer'. that is, the physician has to look first in their own mind - at their own ego before they can tell us what reality is.

What the hell has medical practioners got to do with quantum mechanics? Anyway, this is bull.

as science is reaching its end, leaving the realm of objectivity

Sorry, but no. Quantum mechanics is objective, since experiments are objective, since mathematics is objective.

it is for this reason I believe the article proposes that science is ending. and now is the time to build and create a new school thought is entirely about the study and research of consciousness. and this time, unlike 20th century studies of consciousness - with a lot more respect to the mystics that scientists themselves are beginning to listen to.

Science is a method. You make a guess, work out what it means, do the mathematics, then do a experiment. If the experiment is correct you do other experiments. Hence, it will always go on, for example LHC.

Science does not care for respect, it cares for evidence.

I can fix the spelling, jeez

but whats this argument over what I am saying? READ THE ARTICLE TO DISCUSS, IT IS NOT MY WORDS

wendylove

if you actually READ THE ARTICLE it has nothing against the scientific method, or science for that matter

why do you guys even bother opening your mouths if you don't care at all what this thread is about? please read the article to discuss. there is nothing to discuss until you read the article