Thread: Help with Supps and Galantamine please!

Hi there all,

Ok firstly I am a Newbie, so please forgive and mistake or ignorance on my part! :-)

I had one Luscid dream many years ago and thought it was a freak, However over the years I have thought more and more about learning. Since I have started to try I have found that sleep for me is never a problem!"! lol Far from it! dropping of is easy, but this means that I find it difficult doing WILD as my brain simply shuts off pretty fast not giving time for any visualistion techniques. O also find that my recall, is pertty poor. though when I do remember my dreams they are fairly vivid.

Fopr all of these reason I am thinking of trying a few suppliments to increase my vividness and recall. However I am unsure as to what would be the best route to take!!?? I am going to buy either some complex B vit or alternatively just B5 and B6. but should this be used with Tryptophan or not?!

Any help advice and tips any one can give would be great!! :-)

Thanks to all just for reading this!

I have just brought Complex B with Folic Acid and Valarian Root Extract Tablets.... Can anyone suggest the timing for when I should take each one? Before Bed, wake up Mid way through the night? Thanks

Ok....... Since I have had no replies as yet... I have gone ahead and Trued a few little experiments. I have tried 1st 100mg of B6 (Straight) then 200mg of B6 and not noticed any increase of recall or vividness! My next attempt is going to include some Valarien Root to see if this will work with the B6.

I have ordered and got some Galantamine, but have yet to use it as I want to get better recall before I start trying that. Can anyone advise of any Exp they have had using Galantamine along with B6 and Valarien Root.

Again Any help Advice etc would be welcome

Thanks

Here's my advice, based on what you've gotten hold of so far:

Use valerian before bedtime to knock yourself well and truly out, so that you will experience more deep sleep in the first half of the night than normally. Then wake up, about halfway through the night, or maybe a little bit later, and swallow the B6 (100 mg should be plenty). At this point you can attempt WILD'ing (doesn't work for me, because I always fall asleep really quickly at that time), or you can simply go back to sleep again.

At a minimum, the B6 should allow you to remember much more detail than you would otherwise have been able to.

This is very close to my weekend routine, but lately I have added L-tyrosine (500 mg) to the B6 at the nightly snack; out of the 6 nights I did this combination, in total 8 lucid dreams resulted. But please note that I also experiment with lots of different herbs (as infusions) - both before bedtime, and during the WBTB-effort (which typically happens after 5 hours of sleep), and this also was the case on the aforementioned 6 B6/L-tyrosine nights.

Voldmer.... Thanks for the reply. In all of the reading I have done, ive not read much on L-Tyrosine! What is this? is this a REM supressor? Also I have read that Valerian Root can cause more vivid dreams, is this the case (in peoples exp) or is this more to put you into a deep sleep?

Again thanks for the advice! Any help is very welcome!!

L-tyrosine is an amino acid (found in many animalic foods - e.g. eggs). It is used in the body to produce levodopa (amongst other things), and levodopa in turn is used to produce dopamine. For people low in dopamine, L-tyrosine is therefore a conceivable way to improve life quality. Generally, the more dopamine, the more willingness to undertake action. Also, very high levels of dopamine (dangerously high levels) are associated with hallucinations, as in schizophrenia and psychosis. Again, it might well be that low levels of dopamine causes lack of vivid dreams. To my knowledge this has not been researched.

Valerian is strongly sedating, and it can therefore induce prolonged sleep. This sleep will generally be dreamless, and this can cause a socalled "rebound effect", where the lack of dreams in the first part of the night is countered by increased amount of dream time in the second part of the night.

Ahhhh ok! Would this work in the same way as Meletonin? this is something I have been reading may work in the same way?

Sort of. Melatonin is the natural sleeping aid produced in the human body (from serotonin), and so both melatonin and valerian will aid deep sleep. However, valerian is a much more complicated beast, since it is a herb with numerous constituents. Therefore, valerian will likely have many other effects than merely causing sleep.

Thats really helpfull Voldmer! Thank you! Any other advice that you might be able to impart!? :-)

Don't overdo the B6. In higher concentrations it is toxic to the nervous system. Normally 200 mg is considered the high limit for safe use, but I certainly would not recommend using 200 mg a day. Personally, I would never go beyond 600 mg per week, and never above 150 mg per day.