Thread: The 2012 'Paradigm Shift.' Is it in its beginning stages?

What UFOs are you talking about? Just goes to show you have no fucking clue what the video is about. Were this the 1500s, you'd be arguing the earth is flat right now and calling that Columbus guy a wacko. Consensus =/= truth.

You don't even have the patience to spend an hour and forty minutes learning something new, and yet you call me uninformed.

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

What UFOs are you talking about? Just goes to show you have no fucking clue what the video is about. Were this the 1500s, you'd be arguing the earth is flat right now and calling that Columbus guy a wacko. Consensus =/= truth.

Do you know what Youtube tags are? One of the tags for this video is "UFO".

You don't even have the patience to spend an hour and forty minutes learning something new being bombarded with inaccurate claims and pseudoscientific theories

In the time that you would have preferred I watch that video, I was actually reading up on Egypt's Old Kingdom out of pure self-interest.

Did you know that we still have statues or figurines of most of the pharaohs who built the pyramids? This man built the largest of them all:

Spoiler for Khufu:

Fascinating, no?


Feel free to respond to the rest of my post that was far more intellectually stimulating.

P.S. The Flat Earth Myth

I have given you all the tools you need. If you still wish to believe the great pyramid of giza was built in 20 years, using handheld copper and stone tools... there's nothing I can do for you.

The only sure barrier to truth is to assume you know it already.

Good bow out, archaeology's a bitch.

Answer this question: How did they build the pyramid in 23 years with stone and copper?

Also, a follow up question, how did they know which direction was true north in?

And a follow up question, how did they know of Pi and Phi

And another question, how did they use handheld tools to make the measurements so precise?

And another question, how did they carve completely symmetrical statues by hand?

How did they build monuments with precision we couldn't even accomplish now, with modern technology?

All I ask from you right now, Spartiate, is to keep an open mind. That's it. You refuse. You're worse than a Mormon.

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

Answer this question: How did they build the pyramid in 23 years with stone and copper?

Copper cuts limestone rather easily. The granite was cut using a heat-quench technique.

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

Also, a follow up question, how did they know which direction was true north in?

Geographic north is easy...just look for the star that doesn't move. It would have been more impressive if they found magnetic north, which they did not.

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

And a follow up question, how did they know of Pi and Phi

You're going to be more specific. Being able to draw a circle doesn't mean you "know pi". Wow, you're looking dumb.

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

And another question, how did they use handheld tools to make the measurements so precise?

How do you dress yourself in the morning?

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

And another question, how did they carve completely symmetrical statues by hand?

They used tools.

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

How did they build monuments with precision we couldn't even accomplish now, with modern technology?

Be more specific. Which monument(s) are NOT POSSIBLE with modern technology? Keep in mind, you said NOT POSSIBLE.

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

All I ask from you right now, Spartiate, is to keep an open mind. That's it. You refuse. You're worse than a Mormon.

You make real open-minded people look bad. You make it seem like open-mindedness is akin to psychosis and paranoid delusion. In fact, it is you that are most closed-minded, as you refuse to accept objective reality. You're starting to look like this guy:

I bet you guys don't even know how many sides there are to the pyramid of Giza

I bet you don't even know how many pyramids are at Giza.

96 or 98, now how many sides does Giza have?

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

96 or 98, now how many sides does Giza have?

Giza is a place, OD.

No, and I'm also inclined to believe that you don't know what Giza is either.

138, I guess more have been discovered since I was in school. Now how many sides does the pyramid of giza have? I don't even know why I bother, you obviously don't know.

I have another question, since the egyptians documented themselves and their kings with such scrutiny, how come there's no record of them building the pyramids? You seem so sure you know how they were constructed, and yet egyptologists can't even agree. The only thing they can agree on is that all their theories are impossible.

Also if you take the perimeter of the pyramid and divide it by two times the height, you get a number that is exactly equivalent to the number pi (3.14159...) up to the fifteenth digit

And that's just the tip of the iceburg.

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

138, I guess more have been discovered since I was in school.

There are 3 major pyramids in Giza with about a half dozen satellite pyramids.

Now how many sides does the pyramid of giza have?

Including extra dimensions?

I have another question, since the egyptians documented themselves and their kings with such scrutiny (not really but OK), how come there's no record of them building the pyramids? You seem so sure you know how they were constructed, and yet egyptologists can't even agree. The only thing they can agree on is that all their theories are impossible.

I never once talked about how they were built, and I don't pretend to know. There are a few realistic theories floating about that have been alluded to earlier in this thread. As for who built the pyramids, there is little disagreement on that.

Egyptian pyramids - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Also if you take the perimeter of the pyramid and divide it by two times the height, you get a number that is exactly equivalent to the number pi (3.14159...) up to the fifteenth digit.

This kinda works. Khufu's Pyramid is accurate to the 2nd digit, Khafre's Pyramid only gives 3.0, so again your facts are wrong. If it's relevant, Egyptians did have a rudimentary approximation for pi.

And that's just the tip of the iceburg.

Warn the Titanec!

Originally Posted by Spartiate

This kinda works. Khufu's Pyramid is accurate to the 2nd digit, Khafre's Pyramid only gives 3.0, so again your facts are wrong. If it's relevant, Egyptians did have a rudimentary approximation for pi.

It's not related. There just happens to be certain dimensions that work given the materials you're working with. Anyone who claims that some ratio is pi really has to demonstrate that it's extremely close to pi. 3 is not that close. Apparently OD realizes this, since he lied and said it fit pi to 15 digits, so he knows that 1 or 2 digits wouldn't be impressive.

Also, how would OD explain the Bent Pyramid? Did the Egyptians change their value of pi half way through?

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

And I'm still waiting to hear how many sides it has.

4 above ground, plus a floor. So 5 sides total. Now you're going to tell me that it's actually 13, right?

I don't really care to name the Great Pyramid after a king that used it second hand, so I don't use the word Khufu to describe the Great Pyramid of Giza.

And I'm still waiting to hear how many sides it has.

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

I don't really care to name the Great Pyramid after a king that used it second hand, so I don't use the word Khufu to describe the Great Pyramid of Giza.

GANGS AND GRAFFITI
You've made reference to inscriptions at Giza that indicate who built the Pyramids. What do the inscriptions say?

One of the most compelling pieces of evidence we have is graffiti on ancient stone monuments in places that they didn't mean to be shown. Like on foundations when we dig down below the floor level, up in the relieving chambers above the King's chamber in the Great Pyramid, and in many monuments of the Old Kingdom—temples, other pyramids. Well, the graffiti gives us a picture of organization where a gang of workmen was organized into two crews, and the crews were subdivided into five phyles. Phyles is the Greek word for tribe.
The phyles are subdivided into divisions, and the divisions are identified by single hieroglyphs with names that mean things like endurance, perfection, strong. Okay, so how do we know this? You come to a block of stone in the relieving chambers above the King's chamber. First of all, you see this cartouche of a King and then some scrawls all in red paint after it. That's the gang name. And in the Old Kingdom in the time of the Pyramids of Giza, the gangs were named after kings. So, for example, we have a name, compounded with the name of Menkaure, and it seems to translate "the Drunks (or the Drunkards) of Menkaure." There's one that's well-attested, in the relieving chambers above the King's chamber in the Great Pyramid, "the Friends of Khufu Gang." This doesn't sound like slavery, does it?
In fact, it gets more intriguing, because in certain monuments you find the name of one gang on one side of the monument and another gang, we assume competing, on the other side of the monument. You find that to some extent in the Pyramid temple of Menkaure. It's as though these gangs are competing. So from this evidence we deduce that there was a labor force that was assigned to respective crew, gang, phyles, and divisions.

Omnis still hasn't addressed the obvious architectural evolution of pyramid sites in Egypt. It's clear one-upmanship. If the pyramids were already there, why does the greatest one of them all bear Khufu's name? Wouldn't earlier kings claim it first instead of being buried in smaller, crooked, ghetto looking pyramids?

There are 8 sides above ground





I'll be making a new thread about this topic, I don't really feel like compiling all the coincidences and engineering impossibilities just so a couple dumbasses can close their eyes and sing lalala. Expect it in the next couple of days.

Umm...I'm not sure where you're getting this information that the pyramids are concave or convex on the sides. I need to see a reputable source on that. Your assertions =/= source.

Also, the picture you posted doesn't seem to indicate any concavity whatsoever.

EDIT: I can see how you might see an illusion of concavity due to the vertical lines going down the sides, but those are just due to erosion and the way the blocks were laid. If you pay careful attention to the base of the pyramid (the lines where it touches the ground), you'll notice that it does indeed have 4 sides. Use a ruler if you don't believe me.

Yeah cause no one has ever written their name on something they didn't build.

Did you ever wonder if maybe this one-upmanship was something practiced by a pre-egyptian society?

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

Yeah cause no one has ever written their name on something they didn't build.

So when you go do your hooligan thing and graffiti some guy's warehouse, do you write what team who built the warehouse you were a part of?

Feel free to point out any pre-Egyptian markings in the pyramids.

Did you ever wonder if maybe this one-upmanship was something practiced by a pre-egyptian society?

So why were early Egyptian pharaohs buried in tombs of increasing complexity? Why did Khufu get the awesome pyramid when his father was associated with this PoS:

Spoiler for Bent Pyramid:

Why was an earlier pharaoh buried in this obvious proto-pyramid:

Spoiler for Step Pyramid:

Why were the earliest Egyptian kings buried in simple mastasbas?

Spoiler for Mastaba:

Lastly, do you have a shred of physical evidence to indicate any sort of previous, more advanced civilization?

You have a good point, I was not aware the lineage coordinated with the evolution of building techniques.

But I still don't understand how the pyramid was built in 23 years. That would require a block to be placed every 2.5 minutes non-stop. We have dumpsites of similar size that take 12 years to fill with trucks dumping nonstop. And that's just dumping, but even that takes 3 minutes a load.

The step pyramid and bent pyramid look pretty damn good to me. Certainly more interesting
than the normal ("advanced") ones.

No 2012 paradigm shift will ever happen. This is because there is absolutely zero EVIDENCE that the earth or solar system will align or pass through anything. The precession of the Equinox is a VISUAL effect and solely comes from the earth point of view. It's visual, not physical. ALL of the 2012 human evolution consciousness information comes entirely from Hypnosis or channeled aliens. Both sources have been proven to be highly innacurate. if you remember a few years ago from channeled aliens predicting disclosure of aliens and a massive UFO landing, which NEVER HAPPENED.

Well the "alignment" is physical as well as visual. Because of the flat and circular nature of the Universe you can draw a line between earth, sun and the dark rift of the milky way (on the galactic equater). This alignment happening on the winter solstice only happens once every apx 26,000 years, thats why it was so special to the Mayans who are obsessed with cycles of time. It was the best day to embody the birth of a new sun, but youre right it has more to do with the movement of the earth than the sun.

Technically speaking, the earth does "align" with the sun and milky way once a year.

And if you want to talk about ancient cultures with architecture that defies logic, pumapunku!

Twice a year, actually. But it only happens on the solstice once every <13,000 years and only on winter solstice once every <26,000 years signifying a complete precession.

I will agree there's no astronomical evidence that this is significant other than the fact that it's extremely rare. But many cultures believe otherwise.