Thread: MANTRAS don't work???

I see now why you were talking about playing dead, I thought you wanted to DEILD from a Lucid so most of my advice was for going from a DILD to DEILD

You obviously are trying to DEILD upon awakening

So let me say that you wouldn't want to get up, you would want to transition straight in.

Often when I exit a dream I experience a visual effect like TV-signal-snow, it is at this time that I usually think initially "finally I'm falling asleep" but then I realize I am waking and was just in a dream, and I am actually 'falling awake'. It is then that I attempt to DEILD (tho I have rarely succeeded), I am not yet awake but am about to be, so it is easy for me to remain still, as to making it into a dream not so much as obviously I am at the end of REM. In fact the only times I have actually achieved DEILD was from a DILD, where I likely cut REM short by destabilizing in the Lucid dream, well before REM would have ended, hence the perfect opportunity to re-enter a Lucid.

So to acheive this state, you should not use a full alarm, instead I would recommend experimenting with drinking more and more water to see how much will cause you to wake after third cycle, but not so much that you are compelled to run to the bathroom (if it does at least you'll have a chance for extra dream recall by waking naturally at the end of REM in the middle of the night). By drinking just the right amount you will wake after the cycle and can then remain motionless with a mantra like yours or 'I will remain still when I awake' and attempt to DEILD from the non-lucid you just left.

The alternative is to predict when you will actually be in the middle of REM or better yet at the beginning (or near it), and to use a brief alarm. And use the mantra 'When the brief alarm sounds I will DEILD'. Then having set your alarm for the beginning of the third REM cycle approximately 240 - 250 minutes from when you fall asleep, you will briefly and barely wake during REM and can have maximum chance for DEILD.

The best alarm might be short-beep short-beep and then silence: just enough (volume/duration) to wake you from REM.

In an ideal situation your alarm would actually use direct REM detection, such as Infra Red eye tracking, or Brain Wave monitoring with EEG, or possibly something like Intel BASIS with its proprietary REM algorithm using core vs surface skin temp + 3D accelerometers + lots of other stuff too. That way you would ensure that you hit 3rd or 4th REM plus exactly some time delay like 30 - 120 seconds. But this sort of crap is expensive, not necessarily reliable, and possibly uncomfortable unless you love to sleep only on your back, with all sorts of crap strapped to you.