Thread: WBTB Works once, never again?

Originally Posted by Zoth

WBTB is all about experimentation: assuming you're keeping a regular sleep schedule, and stay clear of possible factors that can negatively impact your sleep (like eating too much before bed), your optimal WBTB time should be somewhat constant. The other aspect of it is it's duration, and again it's something you have to gauge by yourself by finding the line between enough drowsiness and wakefulness.

Also, I'm not sure what you mean by your WBTB is failing: a WBTB is not directly related to lucid dreaming induction, so it cannot fail (unless you don't wake up/ cannot fall back asleep). Are you referring to not being able to WILD?

First time I tried it was 3 hours after my normal time, which was the most succesful - nearly directly I experienced hypnagogic state.
The other times I went to sleep at a normal time and tried MILD as well but no success.

Originally Posted by ToukieToucan

First time I tried it was 3 hours after my normal time, which was the most succesful - nearly directly I experienced hypnagogic state.
The other times I went to sleep at a normal time and tried MILD as well but no success.

You need to adjust your time-scale for experimentation. Learning about how you sleep and dream can take months and years of steady experiments to find what works best for you. A few attempts is just not enough.

Originally Posted by FryingMan

You need to adjust your time-scale for experimentation. Learning about how you sleep and dream can take months and years of steady experiments to find what works best for you. A few attempts is just not enough.

What is/are the best tips for timing WBTB perfectly?

Originally Posted by ToukieToucan

What is/are the best tips for timing WBTB perfectly?

Try, try again, and keep extensive/detailed records, especially: time after bedtime, how long spent awake, what activities you did while up, and about how long it took to fall asleep again.

General guideline: about 5 hours of sleep is considered generally "optimal" (edit: as an "earliest WBTB start time") because REM is never very far away in subsequent sleep cycles.