• Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views




    Results 1 to 5 of 5
    Like Tree4Likes
    • 1 Post By Zoth
    • 3 Post By Zoth

    Thread: Meaningful Awareness/Reality check ?

    1. #1
      Dream Guide - DVA Teacher Achievements:
      Made lots of Friends on DV Tagger First Class Vivid Dream Journal Populated Wall 5000 Hall Points Veteran First Class
      fogelbise's Avatar
      Join Date
      Mar 2013
      LD Count
      1090+ sncFeb'13
      Gender
      Location
      'Toto, I've a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore.'
      Posts
      2,418
      Likes
      2956
      DJ Entries
      180

      Meaningful Awareness/Reality check ?

      The information on meaninful reality checks (one of many great reminders) found here: "http://www.dreamviews.com/general-lu...-remember.html" got me to thinking more about my awareness check-ins and good ways to be aware such as "I am awake, and this is why I know that." For knowing that you are awake, could it be as simple as this simple question "these 3 reality checks show I am awake but does everything seem logical and look normal?"

      Would most people agree that the biggest secret to having many LDs is awareness? There is an article on another forum by Robert Waggoner that talks about this. The basic idea is that behind many of the most prolific lucid dreamers is a daily routine of checking in on reality or in one case of continually asking "What was I just doing?" Many got good at checking if dream or reality and (thus?) great at LDing due to a problem with constant nightmares.

      The one pitfall I am wondering about is those who are saying that they get confused after their mundane dreams that seem very normal, asking if they were dreaming or awake. But isn't that resolved if you remember to ask during the dream the initial question "these 3 reality checks show I am awake but does everything seem logical and look normal?" Easier said than done, I know, but it provides a meaning behind the reality checks and awareness check-ins that send you in the right direction towards prolific lucid dreaming, correct?
      Last edited by fogelbise; 04-19-2013 at 12:16 AM. Reason: clarifying point

    2. #2
      Member Achievements:
      Created Dream Journal Made lots of Friends on DV Populated Wall Referrer Bronze Tagger Second Class 5000 Hall Points Veteran First Class
      Zoth's Avatar
      Join Date
      Jun 2011
      Gender
      Location
      Lost in the World
      Posts
      1,935
      Likes
      2527
      DJ Entries
      47
      Yes, awareness is one of the pillars to lucid dreaming. Especially meta-awareness (being aware of your own awareness). It doesn't need to be a question, more than it needs to be an action. Stopping your current life for a second and remembering of being aware, this is, knowing and perceiving your surroundings and yourself, as well your context and presence in the universe. Instead of needlessly extending this post, I'd recommend you to read this great thread created by Sageous, he does an amazing job at explaining the principles of awareness.
      fogelbise likes this.
      Quote Originally Posted by nito89 View Post
      Quote Originally Posted by zoth00 View Post
      You have to face lucid dreams as cooking:
      Stick it in the microwave and hope for the best?
      MMR (Mental Map Recall)- A whole new way of Recalling and Journaling your dreams
      Trying out MILD? This is how you become skilled at it.

    3. #3
      Dream Guide - DVA Teacher Achievements:
      Made lots of Friends on DV Tagger First Class Vivid Dream Journal Populated Wall 5000 Hall Points Veteran First Class
      fogelbise's Avatar
      Join Date
      Mar 2013
      LD Count
      1090+ sncFeb'13
      Gender
      Location
      'Toto, I've a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore.'
      Posts
      2,418
      Likes
      2956
      DJ Entries
      180
      Thank you Zoth00 That is also a great thread by Sageous that you included. So knowing that awareness, meta-awareness and memory work is more of a journey, for purposes of increasing DILDs significantly, could it be as simple as starting with just that one aspect of awareness (reality vs dream) and the building upon that over time?

    4. #4
      Member Achievements:
      Created Dream Journal Made lots of Friends on DV Populated Wall Referrer Bronze Tagger Second Class 5000 Hall Points Veteran First Class
      Zoth's Avatar
      Join Date
      Jun 2011
      Gender
      Location
      Lost in the World
      Posts
      1,935
      Likes
      2527
      DJ Entries
      47
      Yes it can. In fact, it's what we (communities) often encourage to the beginners: to find a way of starting to change their perspective of wandering through their lives in "ant mode". For this, reality checks are perfect, even though many lucid dreamers don't give them proper value. A simple question like "Where was I 15 minutes ago" can be a great reality check. It's clearly effective (you either remember or not), it thrives in a new action of questioning your state, and if formed as an habit, it will start showing up in your dreams. In other way, we use "techniques". Not to devalue them, but they work under principles of (no surprise here): memory and awareness. Take something as simple as MILD: nothing but development of prospective memory. Take ADA (All-day-awareness): nothing more than awareness around the self and your surroundings. Take tholey method, take reality checking, they all can be traced to the same place: the formation of an habit in which you perceive YOU and YOUR world while you're experiencing it.

      That's why you see so many veteran lucid dreamers which one with their own set of "techniques". So if you stick with these fundamentals, even in a simple way of being aware (am I dreaming?), you can go far. Actually, the sooner you realize that what's giving you lucid dreams is awareness and memory (and emotional engagement to your goal) rather than following a technique like a ritual, the sooner you'll develop a better sense of it. Live each moment by paying attention, by being aware of things and yourself rather than lost in random thoughts. Just by doing that, you'll realize that there's loads of information going in. For example, right now I'm sitting in my bed, I know that I'm awake because I can clearly see how I got here, why I'm here, what I'm doing, where I am. All that, because I'm writing this post like I'm waiting for something: I'm merely aware of my position in the universe, an observer. The goal is not gathering the biggest amount of sensorial input, but simply living the moment. If you act like this, even in your clouded mind dreams you'll be able to reach the state of "outsider" and realize the errors in that reality.

      PS: on an extra note, I've read somewhere of an exercise that helped me a lot to start developing this sense of awareness. Imagine you have a twin ghost that sees everything you see and it's floating above and behind your shoulder. Imagine his perspective: he can see you, your thoughts, where are you going, where are you, what you're doing and even if you're engaging in something, he can still observe you. That's what I mean with an "outsider perspective"
      Last edited by zoth00; 04-19-2013 at 01:40 AM.
      JoannaB, fogelbise and J.D. like this.
      Quote Originally Posted by nito89 View Post
      Quote Originally Posted by zoth00 View Post
      You have to face lucid dreams as cooking:
      Stick it in the microwave and hope for the best?
      MMR (Mental Map Recall)- A whole new way of Recalling and Journaling your dreams
      Trying out MILD? This is how you become skilled at it.

    5. #5
      Dream Guide - DVA Teacher Achievements:
      Made lots of Friends on DV Tagger First Class Vivid Dream Journal Populated Wall 5000 Hall Points Veteran First Class
      fogelbise's Avatar
      Join Date
      Mar 2013
      LD Count
      1090+ sncFeb'13
      Gender
      Location
      'Toto, I've a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore.'
      Posts
      2,418
      Likes
      2956
      DJ Entries
      180
      Wow, I really like that outsider/twin-ghost analagy! That could help with so many different bad habits, turning them into good habits, LD-related or not. Thank you for your thoughtful response (and your other responses/threads/guides I have seen perusing the forum)! What a great, active and helpful forum! Too many exclamation marks? haha

    Similar Threads

    1. Hands reality check AND nose check don't work (anymore)
      By Flywithme in forum Attaining Lucidity
      Replies: 28
      Last Post: 10-05-2014, 12:24 PM
    2. Improvements to Reality Checking and ADA(All day Awareness)
      By jblb2424 in forum Attaining Lucidity
      Replies: 7
      Last Post: 10-16-2012, 01:48 AM
    3. False reality checks overruled awareness?
      By lander900 in forum Attaining Lucidity
      Replies: 4
      Last Post: 04-05-2012, 05:59 AM
    4. Reality Awareness Checks Count 100 Method (RACC100)
      By iadr in forum Attaining Lucidity
      Replies: 6
      Last Post: 08-21-2005, 05:31 PM
    5. Reality Check
      By Haz in forum General Lucid Discussion
      Replies: 10
      Last Post: 11-18-2004, 07:19 AM

    Bookmarks

    Posting Permissions

    • You may not post new threads
    • You may not post replies
    • You may not post attachments
    • You may not edit your posts
    •