Thread: Herbal Assistance

should I take the silence as a sign that no one has tried this?

I don't use them, then again I haven't had a whole lot of lucid dreams.

I'd be a little careful though, a lot of these are scams. I wouldn't trust too much coming from your whole foods "spiritual healing" section.

I will have to say Swim has alot of experience in this section,
Swim has noticed that the green herb, MJ, has helped him Remember dreams better and reach sp easier, due to easier mind clearing.

Also, kanna, kava kava, ayuhasca<Mispelled, has all hepled in the same way, although it is a bit harder to sleep on ayuahasca

I say stick to the major herb, toke, lay down, and just count backwards man, it works. haha

Hi Systems

I don't read nonsense like that. I have some herbal medicine books and "real" occult books that mention a few things. nothing you'd find in a Barnes and Noble or supermarket amidst garlic pills and tabloids.


Hi LdJake

Kava Kava was in the book I just got in the mail today. I don't smoke anymore because it gives me anxiety. I don't think that used to help me, but I smoked so much all day and night there's no way to tell really.

Personally, I'd stay away from powerful hallucinogens like ayahuasca or fly agaric. Even with non-toxic herbs or ones that don't have hallucinogenic properties it's always good to be careful and not use large doses. I guess "aids" in LD or astral projection is along the lines of what I'm asking. LD not LSD

The thing with me is that I've had so many LDs in my life and I think the stress of work and family life has just clouded my mind over the years so it's not as easy anymore. Something to give me a little push would be nice.

Hopefully swim will respond if he/she sees this.

by the way, weed never cleared my mind. It always made me think more than usual. Branching thought patterns and relaxation. That's why I loved it, especially when making music.

Swim has read this, and that ^ haha, but Low doses of ayahuasca helped me meditate. kava kava, as discusting as it is, make it into a drink, drink it slowly and it wont cause the anxiety, only relaxation.

And this probly wont do much for you but for me, to clear my mind, because mind you i still am a minor and live with the folks, i like to listen to music, meditate and drink hot green tea, and let all my troubles go, that usually clears my mind and helps me focus.

And about the marijuana(for my respect for the herb i shall not call it a weed) what i ment by clearing is clearing your mind of things going on around you and helps you think of more things other than itching and having to swallow, which sets me back when attempting to wbtb, or a wild.

Swim would be happy to share his knowledge of any other herbal substances you would need his insight in.

Swim also thinks that swim should work with you and hopefully together you two could find a good, reliable LD aid

By the way, swim is a male, haha

To be honest, there are some herbs that may help you LD easier or more intensely, but I like to do it naturally.
You may become dependent on use herbs to LD, that you will have more trouble doing it without them.

Originally Posted by liquidSamurai

Was curious if anyone here has tried using herbs to assist with lucid dreaming. I don't mean weed , although I never noticed an increase in lucid dreams when I used to smoke like it was going out of style. I've been researching medicinal plants lately as well as edible plants in general and am hoping to find more info on this in the books I just ordered.

I experiment with Mugwort occasionally, and the first time I used it I had a DILD. Since then nothing, but I don't use it frequently because of the negative side effects it can have from prolonged use. The last time I tried it a few weeks ago, I made a much stronger decoction of 2 heaping tablespoons of dried herb, steeped for about 15 minutes, and while I ended up getting sidetracked by the mrs. until the effects wore off, for about an hour my senses felt highly acute and my body felt very tired which seems like it may aid in getting into WILD mode.

I saw another post on here where someone mentioned Salvia divinorum as a side note. I tried Salvia extract at least a dozen times and only once I had a slight increase in the details I saw in HI, waves of detailed clouds instead waves of color. Felt like my chair had turned into ocean waves, but no real hallucinations or lucid dream enhancement to speak of. Was pretty vivid in HI. I seem to be quite "hard-headed" as the hallucinogenic crowd calls it. I took 10 large doses of salvia extract and it had no effect, even tried shrooms twice and had no effect on me.

Eyebright is supposed to aid in clairvoyance and as general eye strengthener if used in a wash so maybe it has some properties that may aid with lucidity. Haven't read anything on it yet in relation to dreams though.

Anyway, I am interested to know if anyone has experimented with herbs, which ones (in which forms/preparations), and if any conclusive results were achieved. I'm planning on buying some herbs soon for a few ailments I have and figured I'd ask now so I can snatch up something else to try.

Thanks

LS

I am a daily smoker and, through my experiences, marijuana does nothing but hurt dream recall. yes, it does help you sleep, but from research I have done and read on DV in the past, it does not help dreaming. I've also experimented with salvia and mushrooms a few times each. The first time i smoked salvia I had strong open eyed visuals. The "mood" was quite similiar to a dream but very abstract. The second time I also had some open eyed visuals similiar to your experience. Mushrooms are a whole different story. Dreaming and hallucinogenics, without doubt, have a tie between them. But I've never notice that they've helped my dreaming in anyway, except a few times the night before i used mushrooms, I had dreams where I was tripping, which sent me into a lucid dream.

Originally Posted by liquidSamurai

I have some herbal medicine books and "real" occult books that mention a few things. nothing you'd find in a Barnes and Noble or supermarket amidst garlic pills and tabloids.

Real occult books? I wasn't aware such a thing existed. *sarcasm*

"Real" occult books say so on the inside jacket. They also spell it "magick." Duh.

If an herbal is doing something to you, its a placebo or there is some kind of brain-interacting chemical. Does "brain-interacting chemical" sound like something you should put in your body?

Originally Posted by LdJake

I will have to say Swim has alot of experience in this section,
Swim has noticed that the green herb, MJ, has helped him Remember dreams better and reach sp easier, due to easier mind clearing.

Nexus?

Originally Posted by LdJake

Also, kanna, kava kava, ayuhasca<Mispelled, has all hepled in the same way, although it is a bit harder to sleep on ayuahasca

Sleeping on ayuahuasca?

Originally Posted by AjWasHere

"Real" occult books say so on the inside jacket. They also spell it "magick." Duh.

If an herbal is doing something to you, its a placebo or there is some kind of brain-interacting chemical. Does "brain-interacting chemical" sound like something you should put in your body?

Not sure what point you're trying to make except that you think all of this is bullshit and you're superior. Most (if not all) of what we ingest contain compounds that affect the brain, regardless if we realize it or not. If something is a placebo, the brain is still making it real, so I don't see what he harm in that is anyway. Far from wiccan teenage girls with black nails, there is actual extensive research that has been done over the last few thousand years on the compounds in herbs and how they react with the human body.

It might be nice to live in a world of arrogant certitude, but for those of us who aren't soaked in a pride-driven delusion, we enjoy exploring this vast world we live in to keep constantly learning and form opinions from experience, not hearsay. Just because something is alien to you doesn't mean it isn't real. In fact, why the hell am I even trying to explain this to someone who uses "Duh" when they speak.

-------------------

As for the rest of you who made rational comments, my thanks. I'm not looking to use things constantly as that would most likely lead to inhibiting my own mental abilities from prolonged use, as you mentioned InvisibleMan. I'm just curious what you may have tried, or not tried and then add that info to the rest of my research.

Its' been a long time since I had a wild do to the circumstances I mentioned, and it is so frustrating that I wouldn't mind having an aid once or twice just to inspire myself and have some fun. Truthfully, even if I could hop into an LD on a whim, I don't see the harm in using an assist occasionally. Even master artists use reference materials and many openly admitted their inspiration came from drugs or absinthe.

Real or not, right or wrong, compound or placebo, I'm just curious what you've all experienced. Wether I try it out myself will only be answered after some more investigating. If I did decide to experiment with something I definitely wouldn't hold anyone here responsible if there were adverse effects.

Originally Posted by LdJake

Swim has read this, and that ^ haha, but Low doses of ayahuasca helped me meditate. kava kava, as discusting as it is, make it into a drink, drink it slowly and it wont cause the anxiety, only relaxation.

And this probly wont do much for you but for me, to clear my mind, because mind you i still am a minor and live with the folks, i like to listen to music, meditate and drink hot green tea, and let all my troubles go, that usually clears my mind and helps me focus.

And about the marijuana(for my respect for the herb i shall not call it a weed) what i ment by clearing is clearing your mind of things going on around you and helps you think of more things other than itching and having to swallow, which sets me back when attempting to wbtb, or a wild.

Swim would be happy to share his knowledge of any other herbal substances you would need his insight in.

Swim also thinks that swim should work with you and hopefully together you two could find a good, reliable LD aid

By the way, swim is a male, haha

Hey LdJake

the more you mention swim, the more it seems like you are swim. Maybe it's the speech patterns. Sounds like a Boxer referring to himself in the 3rd person.

I do agree with the distraction. The swallowing is the only thing that seems to annoy me once in a while, but also my body does random twitching sometimes, or my arms will raise up by themselves. I've gotten better at blocking other things out for the most part, short of the air conditioner which I need or I'll have a stroke in the NY summer heat. I don't really notice it much, it's really just background noise that my brain ignores.

I would definitely like to look deeper into aids with anyone who is interested. That's why I posed the question. Not to "cheat" or weaken the individual's will power, but to assist them so they can develop more and find other ways to have these dream experiences. I was going to try a few techniques in the next week or so by taking baths with different herbs soaked in the water. Some are more astringent, some are more sweet smelling, etc. It would be interesting to see if a certain combination could be devised that not only cleaned and strengthened the skin, but helped clear the mind, soothe the body while not putting the mind to sleep. Or a bath followed by a bowl of crushed herbs placed next to the bed after a breathing exercise. Who knows, maybe certain smells would trigger different things, or make you DILD or DILD to specific places.

you and I seem to have the same high tolerance to herbs , I too get a clear mind with weed... opposite to other people, I actualy think faster.. its weird..
Also I tried Salvia 5x, and it didn't do ANYTHING! to me.. tried the green salvia from salviazone and NOTHING... it was just like you.. just a little HI, nothin much.. I didn't give up... so I went higher on the extract.. tried the Red Salvia (the order of how strong it is: green-yellow-red-purple-blue), and MAN!!!! I don't know what hit me!!!, the experience was amazing... when you finally snap out of it, and look back into the experience, its amazing the things that you can find out!!, to me it felt like I was gone.. it wasn't me anymore.. I didn't even had a form.. I was NOTHING, and I was everything at the same time.. TIME??? what is that?!?, it doesn't exist!, the experience lasted not more than 3 to 5 minutes, but I felt as if a whole eternity had passed... I also got some purple salvia.. but after trying the red, I cannot imagine how strong the purple is.. I'm not ready for it.. so I haven't tried it.. and I'm still getting ready kinda, preparing myself, to try the red one, once again... respect Salvia, or you can get a very Bad trip out of it...

I dont think you can use salvia to lucid dream.. unless you have a lot of practice with her... it takes you to a different dimension... you lose COMPLETE power over your body, and your mind goes Flying away... I couldn't even remember who I was... at a point I got scared I couldn't come back. like i lost my life.. and i couldn't come back... I didn't even remembered what i was trying to come back to... I had absolutely no Idea, who I was or what I was...

you are probably not that sensitive to Salvia (like me) but you cannot, no matter how sensitive or not you are, outrun a high extract.. it will get you..

you probably just smoke the unenhanced leaf... Anyways!! that's my story.. If you really want to experience Salvia completely, don't give up.. just get a higher extract.. you don't need 10 or 20 hits... with the Right Salvia, you only need one...
Be careful that the environment you try at is not dangerous, like I said, you lose control over your body, you don't wanna hurt yourself, or have a sitter with you, to keep an eye on you.. and also, record it.. maybe you say things, and when you watch the tape, you can remember more about the experience...

Good thing is, Salvia doesn't hurt you.. many studies have proven that Salvia has no bad impact on your body... it actually has a good impact on your brain...

Hi Jesse

yeah I had a sitter, my woman. she felt effects from only a few drops and saw a pineapple floating over her. I didn't smoke the herb as I heard it can be too intense, like your experience where you lose complete touch. I used the liquid extract from the main salvia site on the web, sage wisdom. The guy who makes it and sells it was the one who discovered the compound in salvia that causes the trip.

Yeah from what I've read there are no known chemical side effects, although I'm sure prolonged use of it might do something. Christ, even eating carrots to much can damage the body.

One thing I did feel from salvia was the very relaxing after effects. It feels just like stress has been washed away. quite nice.

I didn't think of salvia as an assist for LD, just thought I would ask because someone else mentioned it in another post.

thanks for writing back.

I smoked 50x salvia a couple times...that took me to another world...haha

hmmm... yeah I felt the same way, stress free!... and, after coming back, (like prince_RIP said, it takes you to another world), I kinda felt good about my self, you know? kinda like, I saw what it was like if I didn't exist lol if I lost who I was... so it makes you kinda happy to come back, like, relaxed and just.... happy, idk..., I haven't tried the liquid extract. I hear the effect is a lot longer....

Greetings,
I would recommend you a tea made from a sacred herb called Calea Zacatechichi, a sniff or better smoked leafs of Alepidea Amatymbica or tea made from Lagochilus Inebrians (rare and too expensive).
I have had also many experiences with Salvia but you need to respect the Spirit inside her and to use this herb with a special way (a strong lighter with a good pipe and hold your breath for about 30 seconds (really difficult).
I had also taste some seeds from a herb that I don't remember it's name,( I will search for it) that gave me the most lucid and vivid dream that I have ever had.

Originally Posted by liquidSamurai

Not sure what point you're trying to make except that you think all of this is bullshit and you're superior...
It might be nice to live in a world of arrogant certitude, but for those of us who aren't soaked in a pride-driven delusion... .

I did not specify that this is "all bullshit." I am quite aware that many herbals will in fact affect dream recall, sensory perception, etc. I was not attempting to convey any sort of arrogance, and I assume you didn't either, though that is the vibe I am receiving from your personal insults. I can also tell you that I am not working off hearsay in terms of my judgement of the occult, in part because I am good acquaintances with several Wiccans and in part because I was into that sort of thing myself for some time. Also, please do not accuse me of using hearsay to form my opinions or ask me to speak from experience 6 sentences before saying "Wether I try it out myself will only be answered after some more investigating." If you want to have a discussion about this, please pm me rather than embarrassing both of us on an open forum.

Originally Posted by liquidSamurai

Hey LdJake

the more you mention swim, the more it seems like you are swim. Maybe it's the speech patterns. Sounds like a Boxer referring to himself in the 3rd person.

Just to clear things up, LdJake is probably SWIM, an abbrevation for "Someone Who Isn't Me". Have seen it used a lot on legal- or illegal highs-sites so that you can talk about your own experiences without "formally" admitting you've done drugs

On topic, I haven't tried any herbs yet, but I will when I get back to UK where a lot more stuff is legal and easy to get hold of. I'm thinking Calea Zacatechichi, based on user experiences I've read. It's pretty cheap, and won't affect you too much while awake. Supposed to taste absolutely disgusting though, so I might buy extract capsules instead of brewing tea.

Starting my carreer at DV with a double post, sorry

I'm going to try it as well. Was also interested in sunicuichi (unrelated to dreaming). both are legal.

Originally Posted by oneiroid

Greetings,
I would recommend you a tea made from a sacred herb called Calea Zacatechichi, a sniff or better smoked leafs of Alepidea Amatymbica or tea made from Lagochilus Inebrians (rare and too expensive).
I have had also many experiences with Salvia but you need to respect the Spirit inside her and to use this herb with a special way (a strong lighter with a good pipe and hold your breath for about 30 seconds (really difficult).
I had also taste some seeds from a herb that I don't remember it's name,( I will search for it) that gave me the most lucid and vivid dream that I have ever had.

thanks for the info. will look them up.