Thread: Indian man 'survives without food or water for decades'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8652837.stm

Thoughts?

http://videosift.com/video/Tibetan-M...ugh-Meditation

Meditation is key to the power the mind holds over the body.

It's incredible! Unbelievable! But not surprising. Here in the west we have already done many placebo effect tests just to see how far the power of the mind goes. In one placebo effect test, patients with bad knees were only made to believe that their knee was operated on. The healing effect was identical to patients who did go under surgery. My mind still has trouble believing it, but as time goes on, I keep hearing about more and more cases of just how incredible the human mind is.

I've heard of a few isolated incidents of this happening.

This looks like the most Western-oriented documentation of the phenomenon: http://books.google.com/books?id=mtD...page&q&f=false.

I have heard of lots of cases like this in India.
I met a man who (apparently) lived off of smoking cow shit!
Hard to believe here in the Western world where people never even think of trying it.
But over there many people try it, some may be successful, I don't know.

I have been eating only raw vegetables for a whole month now and I feel great.
I eat a lot less than I have. I feel amazing. But I don't expect to do this permanently.

*rolls eyes* that is all.

Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8652837.stm

Thoughts?

Bullshit.
Complete and utter bullshit. How can you people be so damn ignorant?
He "claims" to have done it. Doctor's are DOING tests. We have no results yet. Why would you believe it?

P.S - I haven't taken a shit for 40 years. I simply expel it into the sea of neutrinos.

Originally Posted by tommo

Why would you believe it?

It's only a matter of time before someone made a post like yours. No one in this forum believes naively. If we believe in the possibility that a man can survive years without food or water, it's because we have a personal reason to believe. Something that we experienced, or something that we learned that opened us up to this possibility, prior to having hear about this old old man.

For me, personally? You start to believe in this mind over matter business when your stomach ulcer that's been causing you pain for six months day in and day out, disappears all together in less than one hour, just because you sat down and meditated.

After my experience and reading biology of belief, I don't have any reason not to believe. But I do have a hard time accepting it as reality. If I did, well then I'd be a breatherian right now too.

Tommo do you also think it bullshit that someone can go without breathing for 15 minutes? What about an hour? What about monks who sit in freezing temperatures and create immense amounts of heat? Humans have done some pretty unbelievable things...is it so much of a stretch to think that someone can exist without eating? I think it's entirely possible. I used to go months without eating several years ago, and it was no big deal, and I'm just normal person. Don't be so quick to call people ignorant who are open to believing such things. And when you joke about things you don't really seem to understand, like neutrinos, you are only making yourself sound ignorant.

Originally Posted by Aquanina

do you also think it bullshit that someone can go without breathing for 15 minutes? What about an hour?

These cases are not bullshit, but they are however extremely rare. Even attempting them would be dangerous. But there is no physical reason why this cannot be achieved.

Surviving for an hour without breathing is simply the mammalian diving reflex kicking in to action, and most of these generally extremely rare cases tend to involve young children, who seem to exhibit this reflex more strongly.

And in 99.9999% of cases, hypoxia = brain damage or death.

What about monks who sit in freezing temperatures and create immense amounts of heat?

This is not as impressive as it appears. Whilst the meditative aspects involved are important, these displays always take place in an environment where there is very limited thermal conduction (translation: very little heat is lost). An example would be a stunt where someone was surrounded by ice cubes for 1 hour, and this is only possible because of the air pockets limit the heat loss. If it were tried in water of the same temperature, the person would have frozen to death in minutes.

Humans have done some pretty unbelievable things...is it so much of a stretch to think that someone can exist without eating? I think it's entirely possible. I used to go months without eating several years ago, and it was no big deal, and I'm just normal person.

Surviving months without eating? No, that's certainly possible; the average healthy person could last 1-2 months. Probably longer if they were overweight. However to claim "it was no big deal" is complete bullshit. Either you did absolutely nothing to expend energy, you ate more than you claim (or realised - night eating syndrome), or you magically managed to sustain complicated biological processes without an external source of energy whilst maintaining an active lifestyle with no negative effects. I'm calling your story as you present it a complete load of crap.

As for not needing to drink for "decades", this is utter nonsense. During the course of human metabolic reactions and general biological processes, ammonia is produced via deamination, which is then converted in to the less toxic urea by combination with CO2, and which is then excreted in urine. The human kidneys are unable to concentrate this to the level of other animals, and so removing this requires a relatively large amount of water. Failure to remove this will quickly cause death; this is why people have to use dialysis machines every few days.

You do the maths. No water intake combined with continual water loss ... what happens then? I forget. Oh wait, people die of dehydration.

News stories like this are dangerous. Many foolish people believe them, and die as a result of trying unbelievably stupid and ignorant stunts.

When people talk about stuff like this, they're essentially making claims against the laws of physics. It's one thing to mention extremely rare events such as surviving without oxygen for an hour (though you completely failed to mention the context). It's another to make completely contradictory claims about reality and then get angry when people rightly claim it is bullshit.

This is about the monks who generate heat by meditation:

Originally Posted by Photolysis

This is not as impressive as it appears. Whilst the meditative aspects involved are important, these displays always take place in an environment where there is very limited thermal conduction (translation: very little heat is lost). An example would be a stunt where someone was surrounded by ice cubes for 1 hour, and this is only possible because of the air pockets limit the heat loss. If it were tried in water of the same temperature, the person would have frozen to death in minutes.

False. These monks go the rest of their lives either only wearing a loincloth or a think cotton garment, in the Tibetan Himalayas were the temperature get to -70degrees F. They stay away from fires. They also cover themselves in blankets that have been soaking in ice water stream and dry ten blankets and melt the snow in a twenty foot radius around them. They never try to heat their bodies or keep warm with clothes, blankets, fires, warm tea or water or soup. They believe that this will weaken their internal fire. And this isn't some rare unverified claim. This is thousands of monks every generation doing this, to this day. It is part of the 6 yogas of Naropa. It is called Tummo.

MAny alternative therapies work very well, and many work better than western allopathic medicine. Western doctors are good if you get in a car crash and need to be rushed to the hospital. Western medicine is good if you have a heart attack. But for diseases it isn't so good for. Mandatory immunizations actually harm the immune system, making it ineffective for fighting off other diseases. Also not to mention the rise in Autism because of these immunizations.

It is better to use a healthy diet, healthy exercise, meditation, and herbs to keep yourself well. Then you will not get cancer, then you will not get heart disease, then you will not even get the flu or even the common cold.

I have not gotten sick in years, not even a stuffy nose, because I take care of my body and my mind. I also know about a Yogic secret that prevents all diseases!

I know that it sounds unbelievable to survive without food and water forever. I will only believe it 100% when I do that. But I am not so interested in doing that. Not my path. I like food and water.

But I have not decided that it is impossible. I believe that some people have done it. These people are called 'breatharians'. The way that these people claim they do it is by becoming a vegan, then a raw-foodist and then meditating in the sun. They still drink water for a while and every week put a few drops of lemon juice in the water. Eventually they wean themselves off of it. I have never known a breatharian in person, so I admit that I have doubts. I have met people who claimed to be breatharians, and they were meditation masters, but I didn't know them well enough to verify it for myself.

Apparently breatharians live on sunlight. That could their energy source. Plants do it. And chlorophyll and hemoglobin are practically identical molecules.

Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

This is about the monks who generate heat by meditation:

False. These monks go the rest of their lives either only wearing a loincloth or a think cotton garment, in the Tibetan Himalayas were the temperature get to -70degrees F. They stay away from fires. They also cover themselves in blankets that have been soaking in ice water stream and dry ten blankets and melt the snow in a twenty foot radius around them. They never try to heat their bodies or keep warm with clothes, blankets, fires, warm tea or water or soup. They believe that this will weaken their internal fire. And this isn't some rare unverified claim. This is thousands of monks every generation doing this, to this day. It is part of the 6 yogas of Naropa. It is called Tummo.

Your sure about this? You say it so much confidence, yet personally I would find it hard to accept that as being true unless I had some personal experience of this or had read some well respected, verified sociological research. I'm not being funny, I'm interested in the idea, any chance you could link me to a source?

On the topic, I would have to see it to believe it.

Originally Posted by imran_p

Your sure about this? You say it so much confidence, yet personally I would find it hard to accept that as being true unless I had some personal experience of this or had read some well respected, verified sociological research. I'm not being funny, I'm interested in the idea, any chance you could link me to a source?
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There isn't much information on it online. I found this link:http://www.cognitionandculture.net/i...rian&Itemid=34 This is just a quote from it:

Monks in Tibet-that mountainous country so blessed with oddities-can consciously raise the temperature in their hands and feet 6-7º C (10-12º F), in laboratory conditions (Benson, et al., 1982). There appear to be several methods of g Tum-mo meditation, as described by Alexandra David-Neel (1965), but all seem to involve the visualization of oneself filled with fire. Whether, for adepts, such visualization is necessary for control of body temperature is not clear to me, because Benson reports that one of his research participants began undergoing g-Tummo changes every time he sat down. Monks will even have little contests where they spend a night on a river bank, repeatedly draping themselves with wet sheets, and seeing who can dry the most. I get cold just thinking about it.

It presumably takes some time to develop this ability, but apparently not so much that it is rare in Tibet: David-Neel claims that most Tibetans have the knowledge of how to do it, and that they put it to practical use.

My knowledge of tummo come from whne I lived in Oregon in the mountains 1/4 mile from a Tibetan Buddhist monastery. It gets cold in the mountains in the winter and is always covered with snow for 5 months. These people lived in unheated trailers and wore t-shirts and thin cotton pants all year long. There were about fifteen monks there and about ten of them lived like this. The other five people bundled up and had wood stoves in their trailers.

Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

Apparently breatharians live on sunlight. That could their energy source. Plants do it. And chlorophyll and hemoglobin are practically identical molecules.

Firstly, leave this to the Chemists and Biologists who know what the hell they are talking about. You've just compared a protein with an oxygen carrier to a light-absorbing molecule involved in electron transport in plants.

And you've just demonstrated a complete ignorance of plant physiology.

Haemoglobin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:1GZX_Haemoglobin.png

Heme B (green above)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Heme.svg

Chlorophyll A
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Chlorophyll_a.svg

In chemical terms, calling haemoglobin, or even just the heme group "practically identical" to chlorophyll, is like calling carbon dioxide "practically identical" to water.

If haemoglobin can act as an electron transporter, then how the hell does it get that in to the cells? The pigment can't even leave the red blood cells without causing toxicity! Compared to the complicated chemical reaction which takes place in photosynthesising cells which features a vast array of reactions that take place within that cell to harvest the energy.

Furthermore, plants have chlorophyll-containing cells on the surface where the light is strongest. They are not found in inner cells because there's almost no light. Yet you're arguing that humans can survive by absorbing light in an oxygen carrier, with no way to transport this energy in to a cell even if it was, and you're arguing that this absorption can happen after most of the light has already been filtered out.

Did you pay any attention in science class? Did you even take a science class?

Unfortunately I don't have time to go through the rest of your post at the moment. Not that it's any fun having to spend my time justifying what can be readily observed if you were not an ignoramus (for example how about the death rates due to infectious diseases which have been massively reduced by antibiotics).

I notice a distinct correlation here. The people making fantastic claims lack knowledge of science.

hmmm.... Doesn't he need proteins and other molecules to replace dead cells? Also, plants are a completely different system, using different molecules. The only way i would buy this is if he was in a sort of unconscious hibernation state. Not saying that it is impossible, but unlikely due to the law of conservation of matter.

Originally Posted by Photolysis

In chemical terms, calling haemoglobin, or even just the heme group "practically identical" to chlorophyll, is like calling carbon dioxide "practically identical" to water

Furthermore, plants have chlorophyll-containing cells on the surface where the light is strongest. They are not found in inner cells because there's almost no light.

Unfortunately I don't have time to go through the rest of your post at the moment. Not that it's any fun having to spend my time justifying what can be readily observed if you were not an ignoramus (for example how about the death rates due to infectious diseases which have been massively reduced by antibiotics).

I notice a distinct correlation here. The people making fantastic claims lack knowledge of science.

Dude, where are your manners? You seem to take everything personally and then lash out at people who you think are not as smart as you. Sorry I offended you with my ignorance, Master! Have mercy on me! I never made any fantastic claims. I am just curious and speculated on how this MIGHT be possible. I never claimed that I was an obnoxious arrogant scientist who knows all the answers, like you. I speculated that MAYBE humans can do what plants do, just out of curiousity. And you call people names who are curious about things like this. You call people idiots and ignoramuses. And the funny thing is that you are wasting your time on the internet trying to offend people. You must really be feeling superior.

In chemical terms, calling haemoglobin, or even just the heme group "practically identical" to chlorophyll, is like calling carbon dioxide "practically identical" to water

No, it would be more like calling Hydrogen Peroxide practically identical to water. Which, it is practically identical to water. I am not saying that they are the same, just practically identical. The keyword here is practically.

Furthermore, plants have chlorophyll-containing cells on the surface where the light is strongest. They are not found in inner cells because there's almost no light.

Yes, that is because chlorophyll isn't in the sap, but in the leaves. Our blood reaches every cell in our body, including near the surface. And our skin is translucent. And we are able to synthesize Vitamin D from the sun. Perhaps we can also synthesize other vitamins with the help of our mind. I say perhaps, so don't get on your high horse and go on a crusade against me and others who are willing to think about it.

Unfortunately I don't have time to go through the rest of your post at the moment. Not that it's any fun having to spend my time justifying what can be readily observed if you were not an ignoramus .

I think that it is fun for you. I also think it makes you feel superior to call people names. Why do you feel the need to make yourself superior to other people?

Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

Mandatory immunizations actually harm the immune system, making it ineffective for fighting off other diseases. Also not to mention the rise in Autism because of these immunizations.

Vaccines work by allowing our immune system to create antibodies against a non-dangerous version of a specific disease. It's like training a soldier on a firing range instead of during a battle. Then end result is that you have more antibodies, just as if you had actually had the real disease (and survived). This in no way negatively affects your body's ability to fight off other diseases. Also that whole vaccines cause autism bullcrap is just a conspiracy theory.

Unless you want to see smallpox, polio and a bunch of other defunct diseases come back and kill millions, you should stop dissing mandatory vaccinations.

Originally Posted by Spartiate

Vaccines work by allowing our immune system to create antibodies against a non-dangerous version of a specific disease. It's like training a soldier on a firing range instead of during a battle. Then end result is that you have more antibodies, just as if you had actually had the real disease (and survived). This in no way negatively affects your body's ability to fight off other diseases. Also that whole vaccines cause autism bullcrap is just a conspiracy theory.

Unless you want to see smallpox, polio and a bunch of other defunct diseases come back and kill millions, you should stop dissing mandatory vaccinations.

I am aware of how vaccines work.
But a healthy immune system can fight off any virus.
Yes, by antibodies.

The thing with vaccines though, is it weakens the immune system.
People who get the flu shot always get the flu!!! It might be a different flu,
but they all get sick right away!

I work with people with autism and am active in the autism community. I know many many families who have to deal with autism and for 85% of them believe that their child became autistic when they got vaccinated. People with autism have chronic low mineral levels which they believe is caused by the mercury in the vaccines. They are very active in trying to get research done and OKd but they are being shut down by the pharmaceutical companies and the FDA which are not allowing independent research into this. I live in an area where families who have someone with autism move to because of the agency I work for is so good. Autism is a big deal here, and there is a lot of activism that is getting suppressed here. It is quite a battle.

Calling anything a conspiracy theory is a means to discredit it. As if thinking that anybody has a vested interest is crazy. It is an interesting term.

The only vaccine I have is for tetanus. I do get tetanus boosters about every ten years. I researched that vaccine and it isn't as dangerous as the others.

My parents never got me vaccinated! Thank god! And I have never had chicken pox (knock on wood) even though I have been exposed to it countless times. Now they have a chicken pox vaccine. They didn't when I was a child. I just keep my immune system healthy and use my secret yogic cure.

Originally Posted by Aquanina

Tommo don't be so closed minded. Do you also think it bullshit that someone can go without breathing for 15 minutes? What about an hour? What about monks who sit in freezing temperatures and create immense amounts of heat? Humans have done some pretty unbelievable things...is it so much of a stretch to think that someone can exist without eating?

Lol. Yes.

Originally Posted by Aquanina

I think it's entirely possible. I used to go months without eating several years ago, and it was no big deal, and I'm just normal person. Don't be so quick to call people ignorant who are open to believing such things. And when you joke about things you don't really seem to understand, like neutrinos, you are only making yourself sound ignorant.

Lol. I was joking. It doesn't have to make sense.
In fact jokes many are better when they don't make sense. Which is what makes this story so hilarious.

Originally Posted by juroara

No one in this forum believes naively.

vv

Originally Posted by juroara

If we believe in the possibility that a man can survive years without food or water, it's because we have a personal reason to believe. Something that we experienced, or something that we learned that opened us up to this possibility, prior to having hear about this old old man.

Seriously? That's like the definition of naive.
I saw a guy run behind my couches when I was a kid. There was nobody there when I looked. But it must have been real. He probably vanished into the cosmos by deriving energy from meditation.

Originally Posted by juroara

For me, personally? You start to believe in this mind over matter business when your stomach ulcer that's been causing you pain for six months day in and day out, disappears all together in less than one hour, just because you sat down and meditated.

OH.... MY.... GOD....

If you knew anything about meditation, ulcers or treatment for ulcers you would know this is completely explainable.
One, meditation/relaxation boosts the immune system.
Two, ulcer pain sometimes disappears for weeks or months. That's the only indication you have to tell if your ulcer is gone right? So how do you know it wasn't still there?
and Three, any number of things you may have ate afterward could have healed it if it hasn't come back. But besides that, I find it hard to believe you didn't go to the doctor after 6 months of pain. This would mean you got antibiotics.
And if you didn't go to the doctor, you're just an idiot.

Originally Posted by tommo

Seriously? That's like the definition of naive.

Then you didn't understand what I said.

OH.... MY.... GOD....

If you knew anything about meditation, ulcers or treatment for ulcers you would know this is completely explainable.

I became very intimate with my stomach, ulcers, food, stress, drinks, caffeine, fruit and medicine. I never said that my healing wasn't explainable. That is your false interpretation of this thread. There is an explanation for my healing and all miraculous feats of the human body, it's called the mind.

One, meditation/relaxation boosts the immune system.

Boosting the immune system does not explain a spontaneous healing that took place in meditation session that in reality was only about half an hour. I was in the worst pain yet before the session started. My stomach ulcer was at it's worse.

Two, ulcer pain sometimes disappears for weeks or months. That's the only indication you have to tell if your ulcer is gone right? So how do you know it wasn't still there?

Because an ulcer isn't in your head. They have real physical manifestations. And if you knew and suffered a stomach ulcer you would know there is a very simple and easy way to know if you have a stomach ulcer. Eat regular food. My stomach ulcer was so bad, I couldn't even eat most common fruits because they were too acidic. PINEAPPLE IS DEATH. I couldn't eat any spices, I couldn't drink most drinks. No fruit drinks. And if I drank water it needed to be warm. Even cold water would hurt my stomach. Just about everything hurt my stomach unless it was basically bland and boring food. Oh and chocolate, I couldn't have chocolate!!

My stomach was also swollen before the meditation. The first time the doctor examined me the swelling concerned him so much, he thought that the blood vessels in my stomach were about to pop! He rushes me quickly to get some tests done and scares the shit out of me and my mom! My blood vessels were fine, the swelling remained a mystery, and/or required more expensive tests that I just didn't have the money for

and Three, any number of things you may have ate afterward could have healed it if it hasn't come back.

There is no magical food that can make the stomach ulcer magically disappear in less than a hour. I know, because I desperately tried to find one. I was already eating and drinking things I usually don't because health gurus were telling this is what cures the stomach ulcer. But even the most optimistic health gurus still agreed the healing process takes about a month. I could feel the effect of the foods and drinks, but I started drinking and eating them months prior the meditation session. Months later, the stomach ulcer was still there. No food and drink spontaneously healed my stomach ulcer.

But besides that, I find it hard to believe you didn't go to the doctor after 6 months of pain. This would mean you got antibiotics.

I went to the doctors twice. Both times they just prescribed me the purple pill. I never took the pill because in both cases neither doctor would even sit down and talk to me about the side effects of the pill. I did the research my self and discovered horrifying stories. I listened to my intuition and decided this pill was crap and bad for my body. I'm glad I listened because months later a report came out showing evidence how this pill actually increases your risk of stomach cancer. It wasn't medicine, it was poison, and quite frankly I didn't need it.

And if you didn't go to the doctor, you're just an idiot.

Actually I'm convinced doctors are useless. Call me an idiot all you want but I've been educated on a higher truth. Doctors are behind the scientific times. They are still learning that body is mechanical and that you can treat it and fix it up like a mechanical Newtonian machine. When in reality the body is more like a complex digital computer following the principles of Einstein. With programs that mess up having nothing to do with the physical components.

The statistics are in. Medication is now one of the leading causes of death. Take a hint!

By why are you so quick to call me an idiot anyways? Does my experience challenge your contrived view of reality first hand? I bet it does. Your entire language and tone tells me you aren't mentally ready to accept that spontaneous healing is a reality even though thousands of people world wide have experienced it. Btw, what is your explanation of the famous story of the women who lifted up a car to save her child underneath it? After this miraculous feat, she was asked to lift the car again. She couldn't! By all logic, she shouldn't even be able to life the car, but she did.

According to doctors, there is no medical explanation for a stomach ulcer to completely heal within less than an hour. My doctors explained to me that ulcers take WEEKS, WEEKS to heal. But my stomach ulcer wasn't healing before the meditation, it was getting worse.

When I woke up from the meditation, I was in such disbelief I started to pound on my stomach. I was laughing deliriously because I couldn't believe it myself. But there was no more pain. There was no more sensitivity to touch, I mean, before even breathing deeply would cause me pain!! There was no more swelling. There was no more burning. I could eat again. I can breathe fully. I could move around freely without twisting my stomach the wrong way and regretting it.

During the meditation it felt like my stomach was warm, fizzing, and sizzling, and that the stomach ulcer was literally melting away.

Is there a scientific explanation? Yes. I healed it with the power of my intention and mind.That is the scientific explanation, and there is a lot of scientific research going on right now showing how the mind can heal the body. Now the medical field doesn't pay attention or even consider teaching this science because it would put the entire drug industry out of business. Money is preventing this new science reaching the masses. Money is also needed for funding this new scientific research.

But it is science and it is true. I learned about this science just before I did my meditation, which is why I knew it would work. You should educate yourself about this science too and learn why doctors are behind the times.

Claims like this are often made and are often disproved.

I am a prophet and I predict that legitimate testing will show him either drinking something or dying within 2 weeks.

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2..._right_tes.php

You have to be careful of calling something impossible. Because even if it doesn't make sense from our current knowledge, that doesn't mean it is impossible. It just means we have to take a closer look at it, because its very unlikely to be true.

I don't really buy into the story either, however I am willing to at least take a look at the results when they are finished testing it. If you don't think people can get energy from their surroundings, there are other possible things as well. Such as strange bacteria or perhaps a parasite that lives in the body, and they are some how getting nourishment from that.

Finding a bacteria or something similar that could feed a human body without outside sources, would be an amazing discovery. Just short of finding out they are really are gaining energy from meditation which would be super cool and change science in a big way. Of course, I don't blame people for wanting to see the research first.

Originally Posted by juroara

Is there a scientific explanation? Yes. I healed it with the power of my intention and mind.That is the scientific explanation, and there is a lot of scientific research going on right now showing how the mind can heal the body. Now the medical field doesn't pay attention or even consider teaching this science because it would put the entire drug industry out of business. Money is preventing this new science reaching the masses. Money is also needed for funding this new scientific research.

But it is science and it is true. I learned about this science just before I did my meditation, which is why I knew it would work. You should educate yourself about this science too and learn why doctors are behind the times.

If you want to be scientific, you would need to admit that you don't really know what cured you. There are literally a million other possibilities that should be considered, but you came to your conclusion based off of what you feel cured you, not what you know. You can't consciously know what made your ulcer go away unless a doctor or someone with the means to run tests tells you. If they are stumped, then it remains a mystery. I agree that the mind is very powerful. There is evidence that a severe neurosis can physically manifest some type of ailment, but the case for mind healing is not as well documented as you say it is. You can't say "I was thinking positively about curing my cancer, and it went away, therefore I cured it with my mind." That isn't scientific. So don't say that the scientific community validates your claim, because it doesn't. This reminds me of the Southpark episode where a "natural healing" craze sweeps the town and everybody shuns the real doctors as a result. Everybody keeps getting sick and the natural healer just recommends eating certain plants and meditating and things like that. People finally realize its not working when nobodies condition improves. I know that's just a cartoon, but you really should be careful about buying into this "natural healing" stuff when you really need a doctor.

Tommo is one of the few being rational here. I see a lot of "nothing is impossible" being thrown around, as if that makes this any more likely. If this mans heart is beating, which it is, and his brain is functioning, which it is, and his skin cells are shedding and regenerating, which they are, and his hair is growing, which it is, and his mouth is salivating, which it is, and his finger nails are growing, which they are, and his body is sweating (in India it has to be,) then he needs energy and substance to sustain himself. Unless he figured out some revolutionary way to energize himself and bring matter into his body that doesn't involve eating, this is just not a true story. And I am comfortable saying that.

It wouldn't even be as bad if he were in some sort of catatonic trance or something, but the article says he walks around outside and stuff. This story literally defies the laws of nature.

Originally Posted by Caprisun

Unless he figured out some revolutionary way to energize himself that doesn't involve eating, this is just not a true story. And I am comfortable saying that.

The revolutionary new way, is supposed to be meditation according to the story.

That is true though. If its not repeatable, then its not science. Which is why most things people experience on a personal level, isn't science, and generally not believed.

However he is trying to repeat it for people to study. If he succeeds and can repeat it then its science. I am not hopeful for it, however I would like to see it end is success, since it would be a huge breakthrough if true.

Originally Posted by juroara

Actually I'm convinced doctors are useless. Call me an idiot all you want but I've been educated on a higher truth.

The art of being ignorant, perchance?

Alright, if you think doctors are useless, you're an idiot. I guess in a few years time you'll be yet another statistic in the "list of people who died because they didn't seek professional medical advice because they thought they knew better". But hey, as long as your stupidity doesn't harm anyone else then that's entirely your choice.

The statistics are in. Medication is now one of the leading causes of death. Take a hint!

Really? Did you even do the most basic fact check before stating such outrageous claims? No, of course not.

In typical juroara fashion you believe what you want to believe and don't let such minor things as evidence, facts, or reality get in the way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_death

And let's not forget even if this was true, it's still a fallacy to claim that it's bad. If a million people die due to a disease which is cured by a drug, but the drug itself kills 1000 people, then the drug becomes a leading cause of death. That doesn't mean anything because it's still responsible for saving 999000 people!

By why are you so quick to call me an idiot anyways?

Probably because you act like one?

Does my experience challenge your contrived view of reality first hand? I bet it does.

I doubt it very much. The more likely explanation is: you're an idiot. Someone is taking time out of their day to try to warn you that you're being an idiot, with the aim of stopping you from being an idiot. I don't hold much for their chances.

Your entire language and tone tells me you aren't mentally ready to accept that spontaneous healing is a reality even though thousands of people world wide have experienced it.

No, people have claimed to experience it. Many people have claimed to see Elvis, that doesn't prove he is still alive. And it does nothing to disprove the evidence suggesting Elvis is not alive.

Just because you cherry-pick stuff to conform to your preconceived beliefs it has no impact on how true they are.

Is there a scientific explanation? Yes. I healed it with the power of my intention and mind.

You don't even understand the most basic concepts of science. Science does not involve blindly stating facts and inserting your own explanation on no basis.



Just in case you were not aware, you fall in to the right hand side, not the left.

Now the medical field doesn't pay attention or even consider teaching this science because it would put the entire drug industry out of business.

Ah yes, the old conspiracy theories eh? Or perhaps it's just that massive lack of peer reviewed evidence for it, and plenty of evidence against it, which nutjobs like you claim is the result of an evil industry attempting one massive coverup so they can take all your money.

If it's such an obvious fact, in an age where censorship is effectively impossible, then why is there so much evidence of people dying over stunts like the ones mentioned in the OP. Or people who think they can cure cancer with magic natural remedies. Why are these 'treatments' never effective in double blind trials?

The funny thing is as well that the entire drug industry is required to go through double-blind trials to rule out the placebo effect. To actually sell the drug they have to go through an impartial test that cannot be biased because no one knows until afterwards who had the placebo, to actually prove it works. This also actually gives a yard-stick for what the placebo effect can achieve incidentally.

But it is science and it is true. I learned about this science just before I did my meditation, which is why I knew it would work. You should educate yourself about this science too and learn why doctors are behind the times.

Amazing. Despite all the people on this forum who have genuine scientific qualifications, including some who have studied at some of the best universities in the world, you believe you are highly knowledgeable about science and that others are just ignorant fools.

You are delusional. You are ignorant. Your knowledge of science, and the principles behind it is laughable. And it's absolutely hilarious that you consider yourself enlightened, with access to exclusive knowledge that other people refuse to believe. In actuality you're just a fool.

But then again, so am I because I wasted my time pointing this out to you where it will have no impact. All I'm doing is preaching to the choir.

Still, someone should tackle the bullshit that people like you sprout out (ironically because you're not busy starving to death or dying of readily curable diseases due to scientific knowledge), because it is dangerous and convinces other ignorant people in to trying the same stunts.