Split Marijuana Discussion

**Universal Mind** · 03-21-2010 02:41 AM

Originally Posted by Loaf

Low doses of alcohol are fine. I'm sure low doses of marijuana at first would be okay, except for the fact you'd probably develop an addiction and start to use more than you should. I'm opposed to people getting extremely drunk - personally, I'd hate to not be in control of my actions.

Marijuana being illegal? I wouldn't know. But I can say that seeing people trying to justify its use is terribly annoying. If you really think that serious health problems (ones that are more instant and severe than those caused by drinking, and bad foods) are worth the risk just so you can be off your face, then your priorities are odd.

Did you look at my link to alcohol statistics? How can you say the health effects of alcohol are less severe than those caused by marijuana? That is worlds away from the truth. Alcohol kills about 100,000 Americans per year. Do you have any idea how violent a high percentage of people get right after they start drinking? I am talking about on a given night. Have you ever heard of drunk driving wrecks? People die from them in the United States an average of every 30 minutes. They are so common that there is an entire system for dealing with drunk driving in every police department and a special set of laws aimed at it. There are attorneys in every city who make a living just handling DUI cases. Have you ever heard of dying of an alcohol overdose? It happens several times a day. Have you ever heard of death from liver disease? Alcohol causes it. ?Also, alcohol is extremely addictive. Unlike marijuana, it is physically addictive. Have you ever heard of Alcoholics Anonymous? Have you ever heard of alcoholics?

Do you know how many people have ever died of a marijuana overdose in the history of the world? ZERO!!!!!!!! Do you know how violent marijuana makes people? It makes them more passive in the vast majority of cases. Do you know how marijuana affects driving? It makes most people drive slower and more cautiously, though they are spacier. Driving while stoned is not good, but it is miniscule compared to driving while on alcohol, which wrecks coordination and judgment. People who would be screwed up in their driving by marijuana know it. No drunk person ever thinks he is too drunk to drive well. Even a babbling, slobbering, word slurring drunk who can't walk thinks he has enough skill to drive well.

So, what is special about alcohol?

P.S.- We were talking in the "Should marijuana be legal?" thread in Extended Discussion about public attitutudes concerning marijuana, and I think some of your last post speaks volumes about it. I am going to post it in there. You are welcome to show up in there and defend your position. I even request that you do.

**Loaf** · 03-21-2010 02:48 AM

Drunk driving is different.

**Universal Mind** · 03-21-2010 02:51 AM

Dammit, the marijuana legalization thread in Extended Discussion got locked.

Originally Posted by Loaf

Drunk driving is different.

It's done with alcohol. Now address the other issues I raised. Your idea that marijuana is more dangerous with alcohol is way off. You are incorrect, as I explained.

**Alexander1656** · 03-21-2010 03:46 AM

Read the heath risks again. You can get hurt. Also, alcohol isNOT adictive if you have a little bit of it. Some wine here and there, will not hurt you. Some whiskey everywhere will hurt you! As for pot, it hurts the people around you through second hand smoke. I have Asthma thanks to smokers! They are careless and not only causing them self harm but the people around them!

**KingYoshi** · 03-21-2010 03:55 AM

Originally Posted by Alexander1656

Read the heath risks again. You can get hurt. Also, alcohol isNOT adictive if you have a little bit of it. Some wine here and there, will not hurt you. Some whiskey everywhere will hurt you! As for pot, it hurts the people around you through second hand smoke. I have Asthma thanks to smokers! They are careless and not only causing them self harm but the people around them!

Eh...the levels of addiction really depends on the user. I drank like a fish in college, but never became addicted (I'm talk'n smashed 4 or 5+ nights a week for a few semesters). Its the same for your asthma as well. Second hand smoke is not going to cause asthma for someone unless they are already prone to developing it. I've been inhaling second hand smoke, purposely, for years (with hot boxing/clam baking

).

**Supernova** · 03-21-2010 04:04 AM

Originally Posted by KingYoshi

Eh...the levels of addiction really depends on the user. I drank like a fish in college, but never became addicted (I'm talk'n smashed 4 or 5+ nights a week for a few semesters). Its the same for your asthma as well. Second hand smoke is not going to cause asthma for someone unless they are already prone to developing it. I've been inhaling second hand smoke, purposely, for years (with hot boxing/clam baking

).

Furthermore, unless you sit on your fucking couch smoking a joint with people who don't smoke around, secondhand smoke won't be a problem.

And Loaf...I find people finding excuses to get drunk all the time annoying.

It's just a fact that alchohol is more dangerous than marijuana.

**Loaf** · 03-21-2010 04:17 AM

Originally Posted by Supernova

Furthermore, unless you sit on your fucking couch smoking a joint with people who don't smoke around, secondhand smoke won't be a problem.

I have to wait at the bus stop, I get choked with smoke. Once there was some guy smokin' a joint.

And Loaf...I find people finding excuses to get drunk all the time annoying.

Me too.

**KingYoshi** · 03-21-2010 04:18 AM

In my experience with this type of arguement, it all boils down to the reputation marijuana has. It has a much more negative rep than alcohol purely because it is illegal. If marijuana was legal in the first place people would view it no different than alcohol. There is no doubt that alcohol is more dangerous to your overall health. Obviously, weed is more damaging to your lungs, but alcohol (especially hard liquor) effects many more areas of the body (over time) than most people like to accept. I'm not knocking drinking btw, I still party and down more alcohol than one should

. You only live once (unless you believe in multiple lives, but then f*** it you got other lives to play the conservative card)....a little corny humor to lighten the mood eh?

**Loaf** · 03-21-2010 04:20 AM

Simply put, I hate smoking altogether. Even if it was perfectly healthy, I'd still bitch about it.

**KingYoshi** · 03-21-2010 04:22 AM

Originally Posted by Loaf

Once there was some guy smokin' a joint.

Should've bummed a hit and taken a good one, not a pansy hit. Then you would have been like, "What was I mad/aggrevated/disgusted about again...oh yeah now I remember. Eh, f*** it, give me one more hit of that!"

**Loaf** · 03-21-2010 04:28 AM

Well, it was some hobo guy. I didn't want to be around him so I left rather quickly.

**Alexander1656** · 03-21-2010 05:57 AM

In San Fransisco smoking is EVERYWHERE! It is soo annoying!

**Universal Mind** · 03-21-2010 07:07 AM

Originally Posted by Alexander1656

Read the heath risks again. You can get hurt. Also, alcohol isNOT adictive if you have a little bit of it. Some wine here and there, will not hurt you. Some whiskey everywhere will hurt you! As for pot, it hurts the people around you through second hand smoke. I have Asthma thanks to smokers! They are careless and not only causing them self harm but the people around them!

If Aunt Martha had balls, she would be Uncle Fred. What is your point??? People in mass numbers abuse the ever living Hell out of alcohol. That is a fact. It makes your "if" worthless. Did you read the statistics? It kills about 100,000 Americans per year. People die in drunk driving wrecks every 30 minutes in the U.S. People die of alcohol overdoses very often. Alcohol commonly makes people violent. Two of my friends committed suicide when they were drunk. If that's not dangerous enough for you, then marijuana doesn't come close. None of those statistics apply to pot. So what if drinking in moderation is not a problem? The point is that zillions of people abuse alcohol. Smoking pot in moderation is not a problem. You say that people could start getting addicted. Well, the same applies to alcohol. And you are not required to hang out with pot smokers. That's up to you. It should NOT be up to the government. The second hand smoke with pot is not going to do jack to you any way unless you are all in a closet or a car or something. Whether or not you are in that situation is up to you and should be.

**Loaf** · 03-21-2010 07:09 AM

Okay, so what have we established:

- marijuana kills you
- alcohol kills you
- fatty foods (with overeating) kills you

Great, so we can all agree marijuana is bad, legal or otherwise.

**Universal Mind** · 03-21-2010 07:10 AM

Originally Posted by Loaf

Okay, so what have we established:

- marijuana kills you

We have? Can you give me some statistics on that?

What I have established is the disgusting inconsistency in U.S. food and drug laws.

**Loaf** · 03-21-2010 07:19 AM

Smoking kills. You can say that there are other ways to use it, but thats the same as me saying I can drink alcohol in different ways to make it unharmful.

**Naiya** · 03-21-2010 07:35 AM

Please try to stay on-topic guys. If you want to continue, we can split the thread and you can take it to ED.

**Universal Mind** · 03-21-2010 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by Naiya

Please try to stay on-topic guys. If you want to continue, we can split the thread and you can take it to ED.

If you would split it and take it to ED, that would be great and I'm sure a lot of us would appreciate it. The last one of these in ED got locked because people started talking about ways to get stoned instead of whether pot should be legal. If that can be avoided, it should work well.

**Naiya** · 03-21-2010 08:05 AM

Will do. It'll be interesting trying to chop up this thread. Give me a few.

**nina** · 03-21-2010 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by Loaf

Okay, so what have we established:

- marijuana kills you
- alcohol kills you
- fatty foods (with overeating) kills you

Great, so we can all agree marijuana is bad, legal or otherwise.

Hate to get dragged into this but, uh...how exactly does marijuana kill you?

**Kuhnada29** · 03-21-2010 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by mixism

It's a mind altering substance, a chemical that affects the nervous system, and is therefore a drug. There's also nothing wrong with that, though it likely won't help you in dream recall.

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Coffee affects the nervous system. Someone that yells at you and has you scared affects your nervous system...ffs....Coffee is a drug.

And Weed DOES help with lucid dreaming. It makes you more aware and it can pull you straight into a WILD provided you retain awareness. The reason that you think marijuana kills your recall is because your unaware in waking life anyway...so weed is only going to amplify that.

The OP sounds like he is 15 years old. Drugs are bad mmkay.

Okay, so what have we established:

- marijuana kills you

ok, this is retarded..who do YOU know that died from weed smoke alone. You also sound like your 15 years old.

**Universal Mind** · 03-21-2010 09:01 AM

Thanks, Naiya.

Originally Posted by Loaf

Smoking kills. You can say that there are other ways to use it, but thats the same as me saying I can drink alcohol in different ways to make it unharmful.

The amount of marijuana it would take to kill somebody is way more than just about anybody smokes. A person can get stoned with 2 to 4 good puffs of marijuana, and a person stays stoned 1 to 3 hours from smoking it. Can you name some people who have died from that?

You can also put marijuana in cookies and brownies and eat them, as a lot of people do. That is not smoking. What are the ways of drinking alcohol that make it safer?

Statistics from a study from 2000:

http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/?q=node/30

**Kuhnada29** · 03-21-2010 09:05 AM

not only that universal mind, but even smoking that amount won't kill you, because you will pass out way before then.

**dajo** · 03-21-2010 01:48 PM

Chomsky on some interesting background infos:

**Marvo** · 03-21-2010 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by Loaf

Smoking kills. You can say that there are other ways to use it, but thats the same as me saying I can drink alcohol in different ways to make it unharmful.

Indeed, smoking is bad for your health, but compare the amount that a marijuana user smokes to the amount that a tobacco user smokes. I know people who smoke something that amounts to more than 50 cigarettes a week. As far as I know, marijuana users typically smoke less than one joint a day, and they do it at home or at a friend's place.

Sure, somebody might smoke something next to you on the street and expose you to second hand smoke, but the reality is, that the exhaust that is constantly pumped out by the cars driving by you, is probably more dangerous to you than that second hand smoke is.

Additionally, my understanding is that marijuana smoke has less dangerous materials in it than typical tobacco smoke.

Around 4 years ago, I joined this forum and I also fought against all the people who wanted to legalize marijuana, because I thought it was dangerous, I thought it was addictive, but after educating myself a little, I realised that there's no truth to all that. I'm not a user myself, I've never tried it, but I really do not see any logical reason as to why marijuana is illegal, when alcohol is not. On top of that, as Universal Mind said, it's up to people them selves to make decisions about what they consume, aslong as what they consume isn't something that can easily kill them, like cocaine and heroin.

I forsee that marijuana will be legalized in most of Scandinavia by the end of this decade.

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