Quote Originally Posted by imran_p View Post
Your missing something. Your "system works" because of the suffering of the global ultra poor. Capitalism was never meant to be an international thing, the majority of the goods and the natural resources that help our capitalist economies run come from countries where the ultra poor are being heavily exploited. Without the masses in absolute poverty around the world, your beloved system would collapse. your economic system is the only economic system that has had the chance to develop since the second world war. Since this point in history the United States has pursued a very aggressive foreign policy. Removing governments all over the world that attempted to delve into economic policies that weren't to your liking.

Shit Iran's nationalising its oil, we need that oil, let's replace the leader with a puppet.
Obviously the same all over the Americas.
Currently there is a nice little puppet government in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Capitalism "works" only because the rest of the world is forced to follow economic guidelines set out by the West, mainly the USA. In reality you've gone some way along the path to setting up your own world, just how you want it.
Capitalism isn't working outside of the developed world, it's been around for almost a century as the dominant economic system on our planet, and things are fucked up. More fucked up than they've ever been in so many ways. We just have our eyes closed for us by that lovely tool of the state, the media.
You mentioned Cold War actions. The idea that we were just after resources is conspiratorial jibber jabber that cannot be backed up.

What capitalist countries are fucked up? Can you give some examples?

Capitalism does not create poverty. It creates wealth, and that wealth benefits the world. That is why our economic collapse in 1929 fucked up the rest of the world so much. By your reasoning, it should have helped the rest of the world. We are depended on big time because we are such an economic power house. That is why our current recession is hurting the global economy. We create business, which creates wealth, which gets people buying things, which builds and creates business, which creates wealth, which gets people buying things, etc. It is a self-perpetuating system of wealth creation. How is wealth created under socialism or communism? Those systems are inefficient and not better alternatives.

Imran, no socialist or communist in here has tackled the scenario I illlustrated in my first post in this thread. Will you read it and tell me what would happen in such a householed? I often see you dogging capitalism, but what I pretty much never see is a strong argument for socialism or communism. Dogging the alternative is not sufficient by itself. What is the driving force in socialism or communism? What has people wanting to work 40+ hours a week and do the best they can? Will you please explain it to me. Pretty much nobody ever does. Also, tell me what you think about this idea...

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