Let's Study Sacred Geometry

**juroara** · 05-01-2009 11:25 PM

I want this thread to be for those of us here who want to study Sacred Geometry. I've only been studying it for two months, so I am no guru. Please post here any information you know about Sacred Geometry, both its cultural history, the scientific or religious applications, or a more in depth how-to-find-this-form in Sacred Geometry. I also realize this is not the first thread, but I couldn't find anything complete. (unless search doesn't work)

Now most of us here know about the golden mean: the golden section: or golden ratio.

Fascinating and all, But so what? There are so many other aspects of nature that don't seem to follow the golden section at all. For most people, the golden section simply becomes a matter of aesthetics. Works of art and nothing more.

What most people don't know is, the golden section is derived from Sacred Geometry. It's just a tiny portion of the whole image.

So what is Sacred Geometry?

Sacred Geometry is the belief that everything that is, ALL OF EXISTENCE is based on Sacred Geometry. That's a very bold statement to make huh? It's why it caught my eye. Unlike the golden mean, which applications seem to fall short.

It seems almost....religious. Well technically yes, Sacred Geometry does have traditional spiritual beliefs with it. The egyptians believed Sacred Geometry was the key to achieve immortality. Mandalas are used as a form of meditation to achieve Oneness. It's permeated so many religions and spiritual beliefs in one form or another.

However, Sacred Geometry is a left and right brain practice. This makes the study of Sacred Geometry holistic. Anyone, theist, atheist, agnostic, christian, buddhist.....can appreciate it.

Where does it begin?

It begins with a Single Point

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The single point has symbolized: the absolute root mental concept, the simplest idea possible, Oneness, undivided Godmind, The First Dimension, beyond duality

In the short story, the Single Point divides and becomes two points. Or Duality. A lot of amazing things happens here with Duality, we now have relationships to talk about. Such as space. The Second Dimension is created!! (wow!)

Keep in mind, up until this point....All that exists are these two points. And from their duality movement we get the Radius and Arc! And something new and magical happens! The creation of the circle!!!! Or...as some put it, the Big Bang! BOOOOOOOOOM!!

Do you already see what's happening with Sacred Geometry? Patterns...patterns. Just as the Single Point was undivided oneness in the First Dimension, the Circle represents Oneness for the Second Dimension.

If you are new to Sacred Geometry, this webpage will show a quick and easy guide how Sacred Geometry forms Natures First Pattern. As well as another important form, the Vesica Piscis.

http://charlesgilchrist.com/SGEO/SGIntro.html

There are more important forms in Sacred Geometry. The Egg of Life. The Flower of Life and the Fruit of Life.

This is the Flower of Life.

What can I say about the Flower of Life? Or the Vesica Piscis? Or about the other most important forms of Sacred Geometry? The truth is, I don't know where to begin! There is a whole book, probably at least 1000 pages on the Flower of Life. Just on the Flower of Life.

How can anyone write so much about one silly little picture composed of overlapping circles?

Well theres a lot to say about the Flower of Life. If you're new to this, I'll give you some starting hints. The Platonic Solids.

on the Gilchrist website you can watch some good videos on how the Platonic Solids are formed from Sacred Geometry. Here's an index of videos.

http://www.charlesgilchrist.com/SGEO/index.html

So now that we know how it all starts from a single point, how it creates this pattern, from which we get the Platonic Solids.......now what?

The now what is really were a lot of people get stuck, where they turn a blind eye on Sacred Geometry and what it has to offer us. Or maybe the problem is they expect someone to spill the beans and tell them everything about Sacred Geometry and its applications in one go.

That is like asking to learn physics in day and expecting to magically understand it and how it can be applied.

So rather going in depth of the ABC list of Sacred Geometry, maybe someone else would like to, I would rather give you some advice when studying Sacred Geometry. You need to keep some perspectives in mind. You're not dealing with overlapping circles on a flat piece of paper.

For one, the pattern quickly becomes Three Dimensional, and you are dealing with Spheres overlapping to and fro in space infinitely, Spheres within Spheres, within Spheres. The truth is, the real pattern of life, is too complex for any man to draw.

Now some people might like to imagine "Oh, I know how everything is formed from Sacred Geometry! The spheres are as tiny as atoms!" Ah...Thats one way to look at it. If the spheres of Sacred Geometry were tiny, then it becomes very easy to imagine how these tiny spheres can form any shape.

But that's a very naive way of looking at it. Just as our old understanding of atoms is naive.

One guru has said, Sacred Geometry first forms thought. What does he mean? Well he meant what he meant, but if you don't like thought manifestation talks, you can see it as Sacred Geometry first describes energy before it describes matter. The picture is more complex than just little bubbles that form any shape.

Were dealing with the very geometry that created waves. Sound. Harmonics. Music.

What else? The list goes on. All from a single point. All from the circle. The sphere, the circle in motion.

This is the Fruit of Life

It's very important in Sacred Geometry. You can always easily recognize it with the seven circles. The seventh in the middle of the six. This is the Fruit of Life on its vertical axis, keep in mind it looks and feels different on the horizontal axis.

I found this image today! It's really exciting when you start finding Sacred Geometry in the real world. And I found the Fruit of Life on this video. And I think it's so important, but it's importance is entirely beyond me.

This is the video, another ted video
http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/g...verything.html

I've attached the image. Recognize it? No no no no no. There are no coincidences in Sacred Geometry!! None!

What are the applications of Sacred Geometry?

The applications are as endless as it forms. But the implications.....wow. That's where it's really at.

**Souperman22** · 05-02-2009 02:04 AM

I don't understand how it's sacred. You never really explain what sacred geometry is. You use the phrase in its definition.

**Xei** · 05-02-2009 02:24 AM

Derive the golden ratio.

Go on.

**Licity** · 05-02-2009 03:59 AM

If the applications really are as endless as you suggest, then what are some of them? The only thing that jumps to my mind is the Parthenon. I recall being taught that some parts of the Parthenon's construction utilized the Golden Ratio.

**juroara** · 05-02-2009 04:26 AM

Originally Posted by Souperman22

I don't understand how it's sacred. You never really explain what sacred geometry is. You use the phrase in its definition.

I'm not sure who first coined it 'Sacred Geometry'. My guess is the term comes from the 1800s?

It was called 'sacred' because this geometry was usually held as secret knowledge in ancient time. It was called sacred, because the ancient men who were fixated on it, were convinced this geometry was divine. That learning the secrets of this geometry, you could learn the secrets to how the gods or God created the universe.

In other words, this geometry was fully integrated into the religions of ancient men. Back then, religion and science were one and the same.

The knowledge, through esoteric sects, survived even onto early christianity

Here are some of examples

the flower of life in the temple of osiris

The Kabbalah Tree of Life, Derived from the Flower of Life

This design is also derived from the pattern, it's on a Knights of Templar tombstone

A 3D Flower of Life in the paws of a Chinese Fu dog dragon

From what I've been told the Mayan Calender is another example, but I can't find any good images showing it. Instead I have this.

Really, the depth and understanding of these images can't be expressed in a few posts. For a reason, the circle with multiple compartments has always expressed time, or rather the movement of the heavens.

I think this image might relate to the Mayan Calender for those in the know

Sacred Geometry never stopped being sacred! One of the most important forms are mandalas!

Or maybe this example will be more obvious

The lotus flower of the chakra, is not actually a flower. But sacred geometry! no surprise there!

wondering how to get the chakras from the pattern of life? maybe this tapestry makes it more clear

I'm attaching a few more examples. One of them is the Egyptian site corresponding to the golden mean. A detail of how the sphinx fits into it, the golden section I think? And then the author slapped it on top of another Sacred Geometry calender

does that help explain the sacredness of it?

and did I also answer how to get the golden mean from it?

**juroara** · 05-02-2009 05:13 AM

Originally Posted by Licity

If the applications really are as endless as you suggest, then what are some of them? The only thing that jumps to my mind is the Parthenon. I recall being taught that some parts of the Parthenon's construction utilized the Golden Ratio.

you're really asking the wrong person! thats like asking how to apply science? sure its one thing to study the natural world. its another to realize you can use what you have learned to create something new! I'm no genius

the problem is our schooling. It only taught us the golden stuff. And how its used in architecture and art.

to first understand how its applications are endless, you first need to understand that Sacred Geometry is in fact the geometry of everything that is.

as in...everything around you, in you, even your thoughts are mapped by this geometry. Even the forces of nature, gravitational fields. We first need to understand this knowledge before we can really apply it. Of course I expect everyone to be skeptical of this geometry describing everything that is!!

And if you are really skeptical of it, as anyone would be, maybe watching the video I posted can help you think differently. Which shows Sacred Geometry patterns in a talk about particles

You'll have to first learn the basics. how to get the platonic solids. Theres really no short hand learning to this stuff. Everyone who studies sacred geometry will tell you, its not enough that you look at these drawings. You have to draw it out yourself!

Its the same as math, you really need to do math yourself to understand. After all, this is still geometry.

Get a circle drawing tool, what ever its called, and draw your first pattern of life. Find the flower of life. find metatrons cube. find the harmonics of music. Who knows what else you'll find! Probably more than me, because I just suck at math.

Its really too early to start talking about the applications, it would just derail this thread

How about we find more examples of this geometry in nature? Because im sure everyone is rolling their eyes at the thought of this being the geometry of everything.

Let's take a step back.

This football shaped is reveered! Its been called the womb of life. Very fitting words. Again, its called the Vesica Piscis.

This is you....when you were tiny

And those two spheres are about to re-enact Sacred Geometry. They are going to overlap, and form a Vesica Piscis

You literally are the Vesica Piscis.

This Sacred Geometry pattern is called the Egg of Life...Do you know why?

Count the spheres. Seven, with one in the center.

Look familiar?

**WakataDreamer** · 05-02-2009 05:16 AM

God likes patterns and harmony, what can I say.

QED.

**juroara** · 05-02-2009 05:52 AM

hi there, me again! found another fun example!

for all those who meditate! or even just flat out hallucinate weird geometrical things

in the hindu and buddhist tradition OM is the sound of creation. When meditating to the sound OM, the monks began to see this image. And they drew the image, a mandala, Sri Yantra

this drawing is from the 18th century

so this drawing is based on what they saw while meditating to OM

and this is OM spoken into an electronic transmitter

really id talk about the harmonics of music, sound and form, but thats way beyond my head

so you get this example instead!

**WakataDreamer** · 05-02-2009 06:11 AM

Originally Posted by WakataDreamer

God likes patterns and harmony, what can I say.

QED.

Almost makes you want to believe in intelligent design, doesn't it?

There's no way that the perfection of the universe, nature, and the harmonic way that everything interacts could have been formed from random chance.

Centric diatom, a microscopic organism that lives in abundance in the ocean

Nautilus shell, the shell of a creature that has been around since the time of the dinosaurs and continues to exist

Click for img, too large for me to want to embed

Honeycombs of bees, perfect hexagons

There's just... no... way.

**Xei** · 05-02-2009 02:09 PM

...so are you going to derive the golden ratio or not?

There's no way that the perfection of the universe, nature, and the harmonic way that everything interacts could have been formed from random chance.

Why not? The evidence shows that it clearly was due to chance. Patterns arise without guidance.

**The Cusp** · 05-02-2009 03:41 PM

What's with all those Sacred Geometry movies for kids?

The Last Mimzy
Bridge to Terebithia
The Dark Crystal

There's a whole bunch more I can't think of at the moment.

**wasup** · 05-02-2009 09:05 PM

this thread is hilarious. "Sacred geometry is the belief that everything is based on sacred geometry." Orly? I love how people are throwing out tons of baseless claims. "Sacred geometry has a ton of applications" "Like what" "The hell if I know, I'm no scientist!!"

"There is no way that all the patterns in the world came into existence solely through chance." First of all, if you study around a bit you'll find that patterns are actually more likely to occur by "chance" (especially the type of chance that includes elements of non-chance, e.g. evolution where chance symmetry is encouraged by natural selection). For example, bilateral symmetry gives organisms the ability to interact with their environment just as well from all sides, is more attractive to mates (selective mating), among other things. In just the same way, this so called "golden ratio" was most probably encouraged through evolution.

**Specialis Sapientia** · 05-02-2009 09:30 PM

Sacred geometry is very interesting

This is how sound makes patterns:

Snowflakes:

Fibonacci numbers:

**juroara** · 05-03-2009 12:15 AM

Originally Posted by Xei

...so are you going to derive the golden ratio or not?

I don't understand your question? I already showed through an image how to derive the golden ratio from natures first pattern, or do you want to see more in between steps?

**juroara** · 05-03-2009 12:26 AM

Originally Posted by The Cusp

What's with all those Sacred Geometry movies for kids?

The Last Mimzy
Bridge to Terebithia
The Dark Crystal

There's a whole bunch more I can't think of at the moment.

the bridge to terabithia? really? I must have missed that one

kids love Sacred Geometry, except they just call it pretty designs

**Xei** · 05-03-2009 01:10 AM

Originally Posted by juroara

I don't understand your question? I already showed through an image how to derive the golden ratio from natures first pattern, or do you want to see more in between steps?

See, this is my point. You don't actually have any idea what you're talking about; your ideas are entirely superficial.

If you had any comprehension beyond aesthetics, you would know that the golden ratio (you must know what a ratio is, surely?) is an irrational number which can be easily found from its definition.

Do you know what its definition is?

**juroara** · 05-03-2009 01:36 AM

Originally Posted by Xei

See, this is my point. You don't actually have any idea what you're talking about; your ideas are entirely superficial.

xei it is a FACT that the golden spiral is found in Sacred Geometry

the actual GEOMETRY of sacred geometry, is still, GEOMETRY

and it takes more than a few minutes to find all of the geometrical forms.

seriously. all you do is look for something to insult people with. and in this case you have this idea that I'm ignorant about sacred geometry. guess what xei, I admitted I've only been studying sacred geometry for two months. most sacred geometry gurus have been at this for YEARS.

I said I created this thread to study sacred geometry with others. not that I knew everything about it. so I don't understand why you feel the need to argue about my desire to openly study sacred geometry with others

have you ever drawn the pattern of life before?

do you realize you need to draw the pattern of life EVERY TIME you start sacred geometry?

do you know how much time that takes?

I don't have any computer programs to do it for me, so I have to draw it by hand. which I have. and if your drawing tool is off by even a tiny tiny millimeter - then you're drawing is inaccurate and some where down the line, lines that should connect don't. meaning you won't be able to find the geometrical patterns. making all your time and effort drawing these over-lapping circles useless

it doesn't help my drawing tool only uses a pencil, and the varying thickness of the pencil line as it draws on the page creates millimeter variations. the pattern of life must be mathematically precise, there is no room for error.

so hell no, I am not going to sit here and draw for hours to prove that the golden spiral is in Sacred Geometry. there is nothing to dispute here. it is in Sacred Geometry, we know this, others have shown how you find it

your'e repsect is worthless. but because im sooo kind, Ive wasted more of my time finding these images

**Xei** · 05-03-2009 01:51 AM

You don't seem to have the faintest idea what you are talking about. You're using all these mystical-sounding words without a trace of comprehension.

For your benefit, the golden ratio is such that the ratio of one shorter section of a line to the longer section is equal to the ratio of that longer section to the total length of the line.

i.e. a/b = b/(a+b)

If you set a = 1 and solve it you'll get the golden number.

**Specialis Sapientia** · 05-03-2009 01:55 AM

This guy is totally into it. Look at his paintings

Metatron's Cube, the fruit of life combined with the platonic solids.

**Sisyphus50** · 05-03-2009 02:57 AM

These patterns exist in nature for (at least) two reasons:

- They are efficient for resource allocation within the organism, promoting its survival.
- The brains of insects and higher species function on pattern recognition, promoting interest in either eating or picking the flower (whatever it is) and spreading its seeds further than it could otherwise spread (another survival trait). They are aesthetically pleasing to the eye, so they get your attention.

There's nothing mystical or magical about them, they simply arise out of natural principles of efficiency of form.

The next person to claim evolution works on random chance is getting a thunderous bitch slap. Mutations occur by random chance. Selection is the exact OPPOSITE of chance. These patterns were selected for being efficient.

**Arcana** · 05-03-2009 02:59 AM

awesome
I started studying it some months ago as part of my occult studies but didnt finished it

**Zhaylin** · 05-03-2009 03:25 AM

This has been very interesting.

Personally, I don't believe that geometry in and of itself is sacred. But I've always been fascinated by patterns and the drawings here are absolutely beautiful.
I could never even attempt to draw anything remotely like these because I have a slight tremor and couldn't draw a circle to save my life lol

**juroara** · 05-03-2009 03:36 AM

Originally Posted by Xei

You don't seem to have the faintest idea what you are talking about. You're using all these mystical-sounding words without a trace of comprehension.

For your benefit, the golden ratio is such that the ratio of one shorter section of a line to the longer section is equal to the ratio of that longer section to the total length of the line.

i.e. a/b = b/(a+b)

If you set a = 1 and solve it you'll get the golden number.

ohh thank you! you posted the math!

thats nice!

but so what.

I'm not going to build a building here xei, I could careless about the math of the golden ratio.

And while you may think you're making yourself look so smart, it just makes you look foolish. Because the point of Sacred Geometry has gone way over your head

the very heart of Sacred Geometry is that everything is related. Everything is connected. Unity. This is the point of Sacred Geometry. This is WHY people study it. You study Sacred Geometry if you are interested in a holistic understanding of our universe.

If someone wants to know the math of the golden ratio, they pull out a math book. If they want to know how the golden ratio is connected to the harmonics of music, Sacred Geometry is better than any math book.

you may freely post your opinion that everything is chance. however, this is not a thread to debate whether things are connected or whether things are chance.

this is instead a thread to discover how things are connected through Sacred Geometry, to gain a holistic knowledge for the mere joy of enrinching your mind. and then when you have this holistic knowledge you can apply it to either a left(scientific) or right(philosophical) brain activity.

Sacred Geometry is NOT left brained (science and mathematics)

Sacred Geometry is NOT right brained (philosophy and religion)

Sacred Geometry is BOTH and NEITHER

There is a left-brained and a right-brained approach to studying Sacred Geometry, both are very different approaches. BOTH ARE EQUALLY VALID.

One asks you to quiet your mind and meditate. One asks you to know your sciences. But BOTH persons ENJOY the holistic feeling that Sacred Geometry has to offer. This wonderfull feeling of unity. They both enjoy it. They both welcome it. Even those who take the left-brain approach would never use chance to describe what they are seeing.

There are however more right brained people studying it than left brained people.

This is not because there is no left brain approach or left brained application of it. But rather our formal education is left brained, so usually left brained people are very happy with formal education and are less likely to turn to alternative studies

The video that I posted is a left brain application of Sacred Geometry

the scientist looks at his geometrical design.......and realizes the design isn't perfect. it's missing two points. he literally adds two new points to his design. By doing so, he is theorizing that these two points are yet to be seen particles.

He even says he is using the Theory of Unification. This is Sacred Geometry.

here is the video again, for anyone!!

http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/371

**juroara** · 05-03-2009 03:38 AM

Originally Posted by Specialis Sapientia

This guy is totally into it. Look at his paintings

Metatron's Cube, the fruit of life combined with the platonic solids.

Gilchrist is the best!

I mean..look how old he is and he knows how to youtube? thats like what..awesome

I hope he makes more videos on how to find the more complex forms

**juroara** · 05-03-2009 03:51 AM

Originally Posted by Alextanium

These patterns exist in nature for (at least) two reasons:

- They are efficient for resource allocation within the organism, promoting its survival.
- The brains of insects and higher species function on pattern recognition, promoting interest in either eating or picking the flower (whatever it is) and spreading its seeds further than it could otherwise spread (another survival trait). They are aesthetically pleasing to the eye, so they get your attention.

There's nothing mystical or magical about them, they simply arise out of natural principles of efficiency of form.

Sacred Geometry doesn't just talk about patterns only found in organisms. it also talks about your avatar

mystical is not magical. mystical is a practice of directly experiencing knowledge. that knowledge can still be scientific.

I started this thread. And not once did I use magic to describe Sacred Geometry. On the contrary, in the belief of Sacred Geometry everything is interrelated on a very complex geometrical form. A geometrical form we can study and understand

magic on the other hand implies there is something we can't understand

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