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Another problem is this so called American Spring decided to protest on capital hill. That's like, BORING. People protest over there on a daily basis. It sure as hell doesn't disrupt daily life in any way. And it certainly doesn't disrupt the politicians from doing their work. Out of sight out of mind!

The truth is, in this day and age where policy and money are in bed, the only demonstrations that have any chance at accomplishing anything or those that disrupt daily life. And disrupting daily life means disrupting OUR lives. Occupy aimed to walk down that controversial path. At one point Occupy had something like 100k to 200k people on a bridge, completely disrupting traffic which disrupts commerce. (i can't remember but im pretty sure that was cali). Occupy controversially disrupted people from entering their own banks, and aimed to stop truckers from trucking goods. (and simultaneously you had Anon. shutting down internet business)

Of course those activities pissed people off. People blamed Occupy for targeting the wrong people, us! They claimed Occupy disrupted local business and local economies. The media started to call Occupy "violent". Not because it was physically violent, but because it was politically violent. And all the while, tea party'rs were rolling their eyes and griping that Occupy should leave the streets and join them on...Capital Hill.

Yeah, I get it. Stopping a people from entering a bank is "violent" and would piss off anyone! And it did seem like they were targeting the wrong people.

But that was kinda the point.

Americans are hypocrites and delusional. On one hand the VAST MAJORITY of americans have no faith in voting or writing letters to congress to create change. So....how do they expect change to happen? ? ? Oh wait they dont. They're just apathetic. And to make it worse, those same americans expect a demonstration to be SMALL and out of sight and out of mind. Oh sure, protesting is okay if doesn't bother anyone therefore nobody has to care about it.

Well, a demonstration can never work that way. A demonstration has to be in your face and unavoidable! It has to take civil disobedience to the extreme and be in your way! Only then does the white house get scared and react some how.

What was the response Occupy elicited from the white house? As the white house (wallstreet) decided to militantly shut it down, they also passed a law making it legal to indefinitely detain a citizen without due process. Most people haven't realized this connection yet. We got a horrific taste at how our government aims to respond to mass protest - take away our constitutional rights!

This is when Occupy goes severely wrong. People got scared. The movement died shortly after that law was passed. The White House won. Our constitutional rights loss.

The next time a popular movement elicits the government to thwart a constitutional right, THEN THAT POPULAR MOVEMENT NEEDS TO DOUBLE, OR TRIPLE OR QUADRUPLE IN NUMBERS. Come on america, get your demonstrating right!

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

If I think a libertarian group or action is ridiculous, I put a lot of focus on how the philosophy itself is great although the action is absurd. I never just put down the action and leave it at that.

American Spring is outlandish, and their idea of driving major politicians out of Washington through physical intimidation is a true facepalm, but the politicians they want to drive out do suck. They just need to be driven out through votes.

Do you see how I did that?

Yes. I'm glad we're in agreement.

juroara, I agree with most of that, but I don't agree with stopping traffic. That stops ambulances, fire trucks, legitimate police business, and emotional rescuer parents too. It prevents good people from getting to work, meetings, job interviews, etc. I also don't agree with going after the wrong businesses or their innocent customers. Demonstrations can be peaceful and still get lots of attention. When protestors make bad guys of themselves, it hurts their ability to persuade the masses in good directions.

The original Tea Party and Occupy had a lot of the same goals. They were both saying that government has gotten too big, powerful, and out of hand. Both movements were ruined, but in different ways. Plotting them against each other also seemed to be really effective.