Thread: Sleep paralysis, how to I achieve an LD instead of OBE?

Is it possible to control this? I do not want an OBE. I just think it's scary if they are real. I saw a section of clarity's tutorial and she said if you relax, you can OBE. The reason I do not want an OBE is because I don't feel it is right for me spiritually. As in projecting myself. Don't ask me why but I don't think it is good. Do all WILD's transition begin with OBE's? Or is there something I can do to make sure I don't get one.

Moved to Beyond Dreaming, you'll likely find more responses here.

Thank you. But it was a LD question Oh well you know best.

I understand where you are coming from! astral projection does at first sound really scary

to answer your question, its actually hard to AP unless you mean to. if you are WILDing and mean to lucid dream, then that is what will happen. The common differences are - in a traditional AP you will feel yourself lift or split from your body. In the lucid experience, you zoom, spiral your way, fall or wake in a dream. You can actually stop the experience if you are uncomfortable with it.

Besides, WILDing isn't even the best way to be lucid, and traditionally it is an astral projection technique. Basically, a lucid dream from a WILD is a failed astral projection

it might help you to understand astral projection better, and how dreams relate

when we are lucid, we are aware that we are dreaming. but when we astral project, we are aware that we have separated from our physical body. But in both scenarios we have separated from our physical body.

astral projectors believe dreams take place in the astral. So a dream is a type of OBE to begin with. your dream is like a private world in the astral, where you are safe from everyone else. or rather, where everyone else is safe from you. outside of your little dream bubble, is the rest of the astral world.

we dream in our isolated little worlds since birth. so its only natural that it feels wrong to leave it. outside, you'll be interacting with other beings in the astral. some are heavenly, others not so nice.

but the same is true for earth. everyday you walk outside and mingle with strangers. some are nice and others aren't. some are rapists! some are serial killers! yet most of us don't live in absolute fear that every stranger we meet is out to get us. for the most part, we get along. We know there are bad people out there, but we take our chances anyways because its worth the risk.

mingling with astral beings more scary? think of it this way, someone on earth can KILL you. But no one in the astral can.

why are our dreams isolated astral worlds? its a two fold protection. one, to protect us from that bigger astral world - where anything goes. And two, to protect the astral from us! Think about it. How many people have violent dreams? If they don't understand that beings in the astral are conscious, whats going to stop them from being violent and causing trouble? were like children being tossed in a playroom because were just not grown up enough to run around in a city.

the astral has its own protection for violent minds. karma. but the karma in the astral isn't slow like ours, taking years to manifest. It'll manifest right then and there. If you mean to hurt someone in the astral, then someone means to hurt you. If you mean to be friends with someone in the astral, then someone means to be your friend! Like attracts like in the astral.

a lot of people have been scared of astral projecting because they perceive it as dealing with death. but I think understanding that dreams are also apart of this astral realm helps to change that perspective. or maybe it does the opposite, makes you think of dreaming as dying every night



why would anyone want to astral project?

imagine visiting another planet, and actually conversing with real beings. don't gotta worry about gas, food or hotel money. and the best part, you return safely back to your bed. at least, thats the appeal to me. can't say much more, I've never actually APd

Originally Posted by juroara

I understand where you are coming from! astral projection does at first sound really scary

to answer your question, its actually hard to AP unless you mean to. if you are WILDing and mean to lucid dream, then that is what will happen. The common differences are - in a traditional AP you will feel yourself lift or split from your body. In the lucid experience, you zoom, spiral your way, fall or wake in a dream. You can actually stop the experience if you are uncomfortable with it.

Besides, WILDing isn't even the best way to be lucid, and traditionally it is an astral projection technique. Basically, a lucid dream from a WILD is a failed astral projection

it might help you to understand astral projection better, and how dreams relate

when we are lucid, we are aware that we are dreaming. but when we astral project, we are aware that we have separated from our physical body. But in both scenarios we have separated from our physical body.

astral projectors believe dreams take place in the astral. So a dream is a type of OBE to begin with. your dream is like a private world in the astral, where you are safe from everyone else. or rather, where everyone else is safe from you. outside of your little dream bubble, is the rest of the astral world.

we dream in our isolated little worlds since birth. so its only natural that it feels wrong to leave it. outside, you'll be interacting with other beings in the astral. some are heavenly, others not so nice.

but the same is true for earth. everyday you walk outside and mingle with strangers. some are nice and others aren't. some are rapists! some are serial killers! yet most of us don't live in absolute fear that every stranger we meet is out to get us. for the most part, we get along. We know there are bad people out there, but we take our chances anyways because its worth the risk.

mingling with astral beings more scary? think of it this way, someone on earth can KILL you. But no one in the astral can.

why are our dreams isolated astral worlds? its a two fold protection. one, to protect us from that bigger astral world - where anything goes. And two, to protect the astral from us! Think about it. How many people have violent dreams? If they don't understand that beings in the astral are conscious, whats going to stop them from being violent and causing trouble? were like children being tossed in a playroom because were just not grown up enough to run around in a city.

the astral has its own protection for violent minds. karma. but the karma in the astral isn't slow like ours, taking years to manifest. It'll manifest right then and there. If you mean to hurt someone in the astral, then someone means to hurt you. If you mean to be friends with someone in the astral, then someone means to be your friend! Like attracts like in the astral.

a lot of people have been scared of astral projecting because they perceive it as dealing with death. but I think understanding that dreams are also apart of this astral realm helps to change that perspective. or maybe it does the opposite, makes you think of dreaming as dying every night



why would anyone want to astral project?

imagine visiting another planet, and actually conversing with real beings. don't gotta worry about gas, food or hotel money. and the best part, you return safely back to your bed. at least, thats the appeal to me. can't say much more, I've never actually APd

That made me NOT want to do it even more I don't really want to do that. Something, if it is real, doesn't seem right If I accidentally did that, do you know how I could get back?

Originally Posted by hellohihello

That made me NOT want to do it even more I don't really want to do that. Something, if it is real, doesn't seem right If I accidentally did that, do you know how I could get back?

lol

you wake up

Originally Posted by hellohihello

As in projecting myself. Don't ask me why but I don't think it is good. Do all WILD's transition begin with OBE's? Or is there something I can do to make sure I don't get one.

Astral projection = OBE = LD. It is the same thing, different interpretations.