Quote Originally Posted by Kaan View Post
I 'd like to ask you guys a question that can sound weird but which is very serious.
This question follows upon the thing I said about anthropocentrism.

How do you think Law Of Attraction works for a snail?
The same way it works for all conscious beings! Except if you aren't aware of the process than you are creating by "default". Snails, like all animals, desire food, sex, safety. And then there are the things they fear (omg salt). Their lives are a reflection of that.

Quote Originally Posted by Kaan View Post
Biology is on it's own a miracle.
Even the simplest unicellular organism is the result of a infinitely smart and ingenious process
People who are looking for magical stuffs, extra ordinary stuffs, (I was one of them) often forget to look at how ordinary things are infinitely more "magical" than the supposed paranormal stuffs.

looking for "extra"-ordinary stuffs but ignoring the very real normal but miraculous things non the less is like looking at one's lost keys in the night near a street light, not because the keys were lost over there (and he knows that he didn't loose his keys there) but because there is light.
It's pointless if the keys are in the darkness.
it makes the searcher think that he is indeed searching his keys (the truth) although the only clever thing would be to look for them in the dark.

why are people spending so much time searching the magical stuff under the light?

I agree with you completely! So I don't understand who are you trying to argue against? Nor do I understand your anthropocentrism argument. Who told you the LOA only works for humans?

The LOA is the result of mind. If it has a mind, then it is by default co-creating along with all the other minds. The species doesn't matter. What matters is mind. And its not a choice. The LOA says MIND = LOA. We don't have a choice.

Youre also inferring that people who believe in the LOA they think of it as some sort of magical supernatural process. Errr. Wrong. (its the nay sayers who think that) For people who believe in the LOA they believe it is the most fundamental aspect of reality. Its the nature of consciousness, and we expect science to continue to talk about. The LOA almost always accompanies the belief of an omnipresent consciousness or the belief that reality is the stuff of mind. (For all you atheists rolling your eyes out there, please note that even your atheist buddhism considers reality to be the stuff of mind. And you thought it was just a philosophy, hah!)

I think the problem with the LOA as its understood in the west is that it was taken out of context! The movie The Secret talked about the LOA but didn't talk at all about the omnipresent mind. If you wanna talk LOA you have to also start talking about omnipresent mind, whether you consider it a field of consciousness or whether you call it brahman. Does the LOA say the moon didn't exist until there was a human to observe it? No its not saying that. The universe is old, I don't remember, it was something like 14 billion years old right? That's a really long time. And when the LOA is put back into its proper context *eastern spirituality* that's 14 billion years of consciousness, at least. (and according to science there was no time before that!)

The point is, we humans have only been around for a blip of that time. The LOA originates from eastern spirituality so we need to keep it in that proper context. Mind came before humans.

When I go for a nature walk, I don't feel at all that earth is the mind-creation of humans. Actually, of all the organisms out there I think its the plant kingdom that have successfully created a paradise on earth, a paradise for themselves! What else could a poor defenseless plant possibly desire more than to have an animal species pander to its every need? We water them. We feed them. We kill their enemies and then spread their offspring all across the globe. And we do this for 1000's of species that offer us ZERO SUBSISTENCE, so we can't even say its about food because it aint! For many plant species, humans are a dream come true.

And sorry for derailing your thread.