Thread: Future of Dreaming

Interesting idea, but I think it doesn't necessarily follow that mass LD'ing will equal mass shared dreaming.

Not to mention that the assumption that LD'ing will be commonplace "soon" thanks mostly to technology has been around for decades, with no real change in the general statistics (or technology). A mass-LD'ing community may be further off than it seems...

And also to go along with that, I don't know if the average person would really except Lucid Dreaming. Right now lots of people think it is weird or unnatural. Why would people suddenly drop that attitude towards it?

Second, is there enough scientific study going into LDing and enough interest that they would take the time to develop something like that? Lots of people don't know what LDing is so I don't know if they would really care.

Lastly, I'm thinking that something that would get you 100% chance of lucidity every night would be pretty expensive and it would definitely be very hard to make.

I also would be annoyed because there are people who actually worked hard to get LD's and then this machine would come along and take all the effort and satisfaction away IMO

Originally Posted by Sharpshoey

I also would be annoyed because there are people who actually worked hard to get LD's and then this machine would come along and take all the effort and satisfaction away IMO

Happily (or sadly, depending on your point of view), even if the optimal conditions for LD's to occur can be mechanically produced, a dreamer would still need to do a substantial amount of mental preparation to appreciate that condition, to convert it to lucidity, and to maintain that lucidity.

Lucidity is nothing more than self-awareness in a dream, and a machine that generates a person's self-awareness is probably a long way off, if it can exist at all.

By soon i don't mean 2moro. But regardless of time, i think the near 100% ld rate even for beginners will be publicly released sometime and will become less and less expensive over time. It could be marketed kind of like the ultimate vr console, which interest in vr will soon grow immensly after the release of hmd such as the oculus rift and project morpheus, and then the next generation consoles after that should should start working vr tech slowly closer to fulldive, which could eventually lead to fully immersive vrmm environments even should mass sd fail.

Sometime after the rift but perhaps before or shortly after the next gen consoles, there would possibly be room for high% ldrate tech as a sort of ultimate single-player fulldive vr tech. The oculus rift whould be out in 2015 and cost around $200-$400 then the morpheus and similar tech would be following 1-3 years behind, and then I am guessing around 5-10 years later for the real next gen. Though it could possibly take longer as this is just personal predictions based on my own research.

Sure some people at first wont be so happy that something they struggled for many years to achieve can now be done by pretty much anyone thanks to tech, but i propose thats a poor perspective on the issue. Pre-tech lders will have a huge headstart over the new generation of lders for 1. You guys are the pioneers of dream exploration, and without pre-tech lders it is likely that the ld tech wouldn't even exist at all. So when ld tech comes out you can consider yourselves oldschool pioneers and meybe earn some coolpoints for being skilled at ld before it was cool.

So anyways, just assuming that near100% tech does get massively publicly released at affordable and dropping prices, and ld becomes much more common as a result of generations of better and better tech, and years of marketing and such. With that just assumed for now and millions if not billions of minds lding regularly, do you agree that the odds of somehow forming a sort of mass sd net would be much greater than with current global interest in sd?

To me it just seems like having many more minds working on a very difficult yet solveable problem would increase the chances of solving such a problem.

Originally Posted by Sharpshoey

And also to go along with that, I don't know if the average person would really except Lucid Dreaming. Right now lots of people think it is weird or unnatural. Why would people suddenly drop that attitude towards it?

Second, is there enough scientific study going into LDing and enough interest that they would take the time to develop something like that? Lots of people don't know what LDing is so I don't know if they would really care.

Lastly, I'm thinking that something that would get you 100% chance of lucidity every night would be pretty expensive and it would definitely be very hard to make.

I also would be annoyed because there are people who actually worked hard to get LD's and then this machine would come along and take all the effort and satisfaction away IMO

I disagree, for many reasons. Why, if lucid dreaming were to become common place, would it be viewed as archaic, weird, or unnatural? I see no reason why people would continue in this line of thought of it became a societal norm to actively lucid dream. A device that ensured lucidity while dreaming would not have to be expensive, at least not for long. Yes, such a thing would be very valuable, but if you understand economics at all, I don't see how such a device would remain being something very expensive. I don't think such a device would suck the fun or satisfaction out of lucid dreaming either. What could be more satisfying than being in control of your greatest fantasies? Yes, hard work is very gratifying, but if it's easy and convenient, I see no reason why it would cease to be amazing or fun.