Thread: Personal Opinions: Dreaming, Magick, Psychedelia & The Other

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I will not answer what it means to dream in detail, I've done it enough times. Just look for a book on the science of sleep and that is most likely what I believe.
I have had a lucid dream. I've been lucid dreaming for more than a year now.
Yes I practice lucid dreaming. I've become quite proficient at it. If by lucid living you mean awareness practices, then yes I lucidly live. I always try to have my triggers for lucidity in the back of my mind so that I RC as much as possible and at complete random times throughout the day.
I have never had a lucid day and I believe it is impossible to a ave a lucid for an extended amount of time. I don't think time dilation is possible in a dream to such an extent nor do I believe that one can lucid dream that long anyways
Psychedelics can be be beneficial or harmful to your progress in lucid dreaming, when taken properly they could exert some beneficial properties however when taking even marginally wrong they could pose a threat to your overall ability or level of control. While I think one may use drugs to enhance their dreams from time to time, I think it is more important to learn how to lucid dream naturally first.
No I don't believe in magick, somewhere in me I wish there was some for of magick but it seems extremely unlikely to actually exist.
Inorganic beings are beings which lack any carbon or hydrogen compounds, Spirits are drinks and astral entities are members of the pop group "astral Okay seriously I think they don't, people use them to explain things which they think cannot be explained through everyday science.
If by dreamguide you mean all knowing living consciousness in my dream who is present to aid me in the dream world, then no. If you mean dreamguide as in mental representation of yourself which you have created to give yourself a confidence boost, then yes. I have a dreamguide but she (I) make it very clear that she (I am) is truly me.
I wish to figure it out for myself. If there really is such thing, I will eventually cross paths with some form of magick since I lucid dream so much. If I do prove to myself that any form of magick is possible I will go about trying to prove it in real life.

Are you aware that you can do anything which is dreamable?

I have no idea what you mean.


If any of these answers are unsatisfactory it's because your questions were a little vague on some points, maybe you could elaborate on some of them.

Hey there
Believe it or not answering questions is actually one of my favourite things on this site, here you go:
1) In my opinion dreaming is a world of mystery and adventure, the world where anything is possible... Dreaming is simply being situated in this world... I don't know the purpose, nobody does. I would like to hope it's special but I can't say it is and I can't say it's not.
2) Yes, multiple times. It's once of my best experiences and I've been hocked even since.
3) yeah, lucid dreaming but I don't think lucid living is something you should get into until you are comfortable with lucid dreaming.
4) Sort of, I'm more 'lucid' during my day generally after having a lucid dream, I'm not sure if I would call it a lucid day though.
5) I guess they would be but I can't guarantee it, I know there useful for Autistic children and people suffering with schizophrenia but that's the only claims I've heard,
6) nope, but if someone can prove me wrong I'd believe in it
7) N/A
8) Sorry but I don't really know what to answer with. To be honest I'm not even sure if I'm a believer.
9) Heard her/him/it but I've never had contact with her (I say her because of there female voice).
10) Yes! Any new knowledge is welcome! (I'm pretty knowledgable when it comes to dreaming but anything else sure).
11) that's debatable, you can fly in a dream but you can't fly in real life. But I get where your coming from. For example you can dream about bring a millionaire, and believe its impossible to achieve... In fact it's not, anybody can do it! If you mean you can do anything while in a dream, I've known that since the start.
12) Travel around the world with my soulmate (I'm a bit young for this but it's the one thing I'm sure exists, and I really would love to do this).

Thanks for this, it was fun... Nothing better than answering some questions
(Sorry if some of this doesn't make sense but I've had a long day.)

Originally Posted by dutchraptor

Psychedelics can be be beneficial or harmful to your progress in lucid dreaming, when taken properly they could exert some beneficial properties however when taking even marginally wrong they could pose a threat to your overall ability or level of control. While I think one may use drugs to enhance their dreams from time to time, I think it is more important to learn how to lucid dream naturally first.

I believe his question was not about how psychedelics could help with lucid dreaming, but how they can help to increase awareness in overall.
I have studied this subject quite a bit. I have never tried any psychedelics but I think someday I will because in my opinion no one should miss this. It is a life changing experience (if you take the right dose in the right atmosphere and at the right place. Otherwise it can make a huge damage). If you will be succesfull with it you will have a better understanding about humanity, your mind and etc.

In your own words, what does it mean to dream?

Dreaming is when I use my imagination for something besides generating a real-time representation of my surroundings.

Have you ever had a lucid dream?

By the conventional definition, "A lucid dream is any dream in which one is aware that one is dreaming", I lucid dream every night. But if a lucid dream is a dream in which the completeness of the visual experience rivals waking life, I've had dozens of those but generally can't sustain it for more than a minute or so. And I haven't had one in a few months at least.

Do you practice any form of lucid dreaming or lucid living?

No, and no. Unless we're using a non-doublespeak definition of lucid living, in which case yes, I am aware that I am alive.

Have you ever had a lucid day?

Yes, I am frequently aware that it is day, and frequently remain aware of that all day.

Do you consider natural psychedelic agents such as Mushrooms, Peyote, Salvia Divinorum, ayahuasca, et cetera to be beneficial as aids for increasing awareness?

No. With rare exceptions, people I've encountered who regard these as beneficial are remarkably poor at intelligent discourse on any subject. And while correlation is not causation, I don't think this is entirely a coincidence. (The Soundgarden song "Birth Ritual" pretty much sums up my view of recreational drugs including psychedelic substances, if you prefer your vitriol with guitars.)

Do you believe in Magick?

Uh, sure. I don't believe it is and does quite what proponents claim, but it does do something.

Do you practice Magick? If so, explain.

No.

Explain inorganic beings, sprits, astral entities, etc. in your own words.

These I can not explain, and it appears to me that other people can not explain them well either. I don't think they are quite what they seem, but people don't know a more accurate and complete way to think about them. I do believe they are real, and they are interrelated with our own minds but are not tied to specific bodies in a fixed way like our minds are. Some are quite intelligent.

Are you aware of your dream guide?

Is this a poll or a push poll? I have been helped in my life and personal development by incoporeal entities, apparently. I'm not currently aware of having a dream guide as such.

Do you wish to know more about dreaming, magick, consciousness, psychedelia and the other?

Its a push poll.

Are you aware that you can do anything which is dreamable?

Definitely a push poll. No I'm not aware of that, because its not true.

If you could do anything what would it be?

I'd like to have a conversation about metaphysics with some people who aren't shills for some kind of destructively self-serving agenda. I'm trying to come to grips with the fact that this rarely happens in this world though.

I'd also like to improve my heart while deepening my honesty. This is a higher priority than my other wish.

^^ Though I think I'm not worthy to follow that last post, here you go:

In your own words, what does it mean to dream?
Aside from being that thing all our brains do during sleep, for me dreaming is an outlet for complete imagination, adventure, and exploration of the Self, and potentially the only one that can be enjoyed without restrictions to creativity or the influence of others.

Have you ever had a lucid dream?
Yes.

Do you practice any form of lucid dreaming or lucid living?
They have forms? If you're asking if I try to be self-aware when I'm asleep and when I'm awake, then yes; If you're asking if there's some lucid religion or official discipline I subscribe to, then no.

Have you ever had a lucid day?
Yes. Everyone should try to be awake now and then, I think.

Do you consider natural psychedelic agents such as Mushrooms, Peyote, Salvia Divinorum, ayahuasca, et cetera to be beneficial as aids for increasing awareness?

Categorically not beneficial; detrimental, even, because mind-altering drugs, um, alter your mind, and do so in a manner that diminishes self-awareness while simultaneously convincing you that you are more aware. Not helpful. ... sorry, Samick!

Do you believe in Magick?
Didn't they take the "k" off that word a few centuries ago? If you mean the manipulation of the physical world through non-physical means, I'd say I "believe" that there are things we do not yet know that would seem like magic; just like this website would have seemed high sorcery 200 years ago. And, of course, when those things are known they will no longer be magic, will they?

If, given that "k," you are asking if I believe in the efficacy of spells, potions, mystical powers, Harry Potter, etc, then no, I don't believe in that stuff. It really is all fantasy, I think. (full disclosure, I was a virtual student of magic back in the '80's, and tried all those spells and potions, etc, plus immersed myself in the world of practitioners -- noting worked, I was deeply unimpressed my the "magick" practitioners, and walked away with little more than some excellent recipes for tea.

Do you practice Magick? If so, explain.
In place of an answer here I have a piece of advice: If anyone answers "Yes" to this, they are either lying or deluded.

Explain inorganic beings, sprits, astral entities, etc. in your own words.
Fun fantasy, I think; a semi-creative way to light the darker places we sometimes wander.

Are you aware of your dream guide?
Push-poll indeed! If I'm not aware of my dream guide, do I still have one?

Do you wish to know more about dreaming, magick, consciousness, psychedelia and the other?
That's quite a mix! Dreaming and consciousness, yes; the rest, not so much. What is the other?

Are you aware that you can do anything which is dreamable?
I'm not because I can't. If I could, I wouldn't need to be using a computer, I think.

If you could do anything what would it be?
Give every person on the planet one day of perfect self-awareness.

@sageous
Awesome answer man, I really liked this bit
Explain inorganic beings, sprits, astral entities, etc. in your own words.
Fun fantasy, I think; a semi-creative way to light the darker places we sometimes wander

Couldn't have phrased it better myself.

Originally Posted by shadowofwind

Is this a poll or a push poll? I have been helped in my life and personal development by incoporeal entities, apparently. I'm not currently aware of having a dream guide as such.

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[B][I]I'd like to have a conversation about metaphysics with some people who aren't shills for some kind of destructively self-serving agenda. I'm trying to come to grips with the fact that this rarely happens in this world though.

I apologise for the poorly written questions. You're totally right about it being a "push poll." Sorry to offend... I really ought to avoid starting questions with phrases like "are you aware..." I didn't even consider the questions as being imposing because of my perspective on the subject. I'm new to this journalism stuff so give me a break aiight?
I continue to work on questioning people. I've only gotten two voice interviews so far but I'd like to get more. I will upload within the next few weeks. And from now on I'll be sure to ask the questions in a much more open ended way.

As for being a shill for a destructively self-serving agenda, I'd like you to elucidate! I wanted to ask people in my city these questions so as to incite these very metaphysical dialogues you write of. These questions reflect my views heavily, my bad! I hope that we can still be friends.

As for my thoughts on these issues:

To dream is to experience the process of human perception in a different energetic environment than that of the daily physical. I believe that night time dreams are experiences out of body similar to astral projection. The scenes and characters within my own dreams tend to be either arbitrary (hollow projections), representative (pertaining to a particular known person or place, but energetically dependent), or defined (energetically independent entities). For example, one night while dreaming... I am at a shopping mall. There is a pretty lady in green working as a cashier in a small shop. The shop is arbitrary (I don't have a clue what is sold here, nor does it even matter). I am interacting with this lady and I suddenly rush toward her to stare her in the eyes. The moment I reach the counter and lean toward her, she is swinging from the ceiling as nothing but a framed picture hung by thread! The hanging picture of the cashier transforms right back into the original human appearance when I step away. The dream continues pretty ordinarily afterwards... In other dreams I've encountered, without a shadow (lol irony) of a doubt, energetically independent beings. In one particular "Grand Dream" I'm walking down a road with two people. One is my best friend from school (representative) and the other is what I initially think is my old crush, though visually elusive. For some reason I just can't seem to get a good look at her. When I turn to look, she's subtly out of view yet just within my peripheral vision. I walk down the road listening to this girl speak avidly. She is poetically raving about apocalyptic matters. I only remember that "the cows will wish to die." (unfortunately, she was speaking SO fast I could barely keep up with my ears) I'm looking at some intense cloud formations in the sky. I recognise the constellation Leo rising in the east through the clouds. As we progress down the road she takes my hand and continues talking. Going on she then takes my second hand, walking behind me all the while speaking. Soon she is holding me in her arms from behind in a highly protective embrace. The evergreen trees that line the road on both sides break on the right: there is an open space that looks like a blueberry field. I hear a terrifying sound- dark, guttural and forceful. I snap my gaze onto a shadow, standing there. I can not only vaguely see it, but more than anything I can sense it. I freeze in my tracks and stand ready to GTFO like a frightened hare. The shadow calls again and for some reason this time my fight or flight response immediately kicks in, I take off, back the way I came. Both while dreaming and upon awakening I recognized the energetic independence of these beings. I never have dream characters rattle off mysteriously cryptic prophecies so fast and extensive I can barely commit them to memory. I also realized after waking that the protective character must have sensed the shadow before I did, because I was thinking she was attracted to me until I saw the shadow creature! I laugh when I look back at this dream. Anyway on to the rest of these questions...

Yes I have had many lucid dreams. My first remembered one came to me after hearing a Stuff You Should Know podcast about lucid dreaming way back when I was in middle school. I concentrated on the fact that "I am about to begin dreaming" for about 30 minutes before falling asleep and hey! whaddaya know? I'm dreaming! I remember deciding to go to a city, so I created this purgatory-esque field of city blocks, with roads, and just flat green patches where the buildings would have been (It was a half-assed city). I flew around and walked on the walls of skyscrapers, jumping off them and gliding like in a video game I saw a long time ago. I got bored of flying around so I decided to try to have sex (of course lol). I remember I only had to think of something along the lines of "hot girl" for a moment before I noticed a high school girl I used to gawk at on myspace with my friends (oh the memories!). The sex was pretty vague as far as dream sex goes, as my young middle school mind lacked the "subconscious blueprints" to define it well. I later decided I wanted to see a bunch of my friends at once and play soccer with them, so the next thing I know we're at my old school's soccer field and we're kicking a ball around. It was super fun and especially exciting as my first lucid dream. I find it interesting that none of my LDs ever seem to be such "blank slate" empty sandbox type dreams. I'm usually already in a well defined scene upon entering the dreamzone nowadays.

I try to practice "bare attention" and waking lucidity to the best of my ability. I am unfortunately pretty scatterbrained so I often find it hard to keep consistent focus, but the more I meditate, the easier it is. I usually have many "finding myself" moments of lucidity similar to those within dreams throughout the day - where my awareness is excited and sharp in an instant.

As for natural psychedelics, I think they're medicine for a world of deluded materialists. The psychedelic experience is extremely liberating from the socialization we are all subject to from birth. For this reason I believe they are extremely useful when used only in the right context. That is, with respect, not for "getting fucked up" but for the exploration of consciousness. You have to question why things like psilocybin mushrooms and peyote are suppressed by the government, as they are clearly psychospiritual medicines, not recreational drugs. Keep in mind that its not that these things are illegal to use, but that you can't even scientifically research most of them! They don't make you crazy and they don't hurt, but rather heal. To me LSD is a drug, whereas, for example each Psilocybe Cubensis specimen is a unique manifestation of life - conscious in its own way and willing to help us humans in our cosmic experience. My thoughts on psychedelics are pretty similar to (and heavily influenced by) Terrence McKenna's. I really suggest looking him up on youtube (tons of good videos on him) and especially the internet archive - they have a large collection of his talks in mp3 format.

I do believe in magick. Everything is magick! So naturally for me, the question "do you believe in magick" is absurd. But, of course magic is just a word. What would you say to describe the magical things in life? Like a heartfelt kiss, a sentient synchronicity or a meaningful dream? When I watch someone cook, it's a form of magic, science? Magick! It's only the same esoteric club descended from the alchemists and astrologers of old. Modern Chemistry and Astronomy have their roots in these old mystic traditions, and these are just a few examples. Think of all the amazing magic we do every day without even thinking about it! If you don't believe in magic then what is skype? The internet and computers? How could you deny the magic in these things? I play guitar - high frequency ordered sound ripples emanating through atmosphere intermingling into comprehensible patterns of emotion and intention. Aren't these magical? It all depends on your perception.

Regarding sorcerers like Merlin and the like, I think that the way they used magic is also totally legitimate. That is, casting spells and such. I just think that most people don't really do things by the old ways any more. The paradigm of our culture is that Magic is somehow limited to arcane incantations by candle light with wands and crystal balls. Actually, I see it as the exact opposite. Magic is as open ended as music or any other art form. In fact I would say that magic and art are one. The way I see it is that magic is the creative ordering of energy for some desired effect. So I do think casting an iconic spell is possible, but not without a solid understanding of the energetic framework of whatever it is that one wishes to manipulate. The sorcerers of the ancient days knew the power of words, whereas today the power of words is usually overlooked except by the poets and true wordsmiths. Personally, I think that in the ancient days people took magic for granted, like we do modern technology.

I don't practice any "Merlin magic," but I love to cook, play music, sing and create. And I'm learning C++ coding so I guess that counts as technomagick! I dream and perform all kinds of magic all the time, consciously and not. I especially love firebending in my dreams

Inorganic Beings are definitely around us, here or there. The concept of the 4th spatial dimension (hyperspace) is a way to explain how they might travel. I believe many of these incorporeal entities are parasitic e.g. demons, evil jinn, duppies, etc. I think they feed off of emotions and they often cause and perpetuate delusional perception and illness. I think there are also many other types of these disembodied conscious forms. There are most definitely many other entities which are benevolent, meaning they are trying to do their part by always working for the greater good. Don Juan Matus speaks of inorganic beings in Carlos Castanedas' The Art of Dreaming. He says that their consciousness is different from our human consciousness in that it is much longer lasting and capable of things incomprehensible to us, but also that us humans have extraordinary powers in our own way. I think it's interesting to contemplate the experience of consciousness from the perspective of a tree or another living thing and how vastly different it must be. It really must be so different that we can barely imagine. Still, it's interesting...

Anyway!
Yes, (One of) My dream guide(s?), a disembodied spirit that manifests as a beautiful curly-olive-green-haired lady. She is with me in my dreams, usually as an elusive character that appears as a friend. I notice her when I become lucid and think of her or else when she appears before me with direct intent, though this has only happened to me once. I think dream guides are really more than just dream guides but rather spirit guides. As in they are available round the clock, always aware of your needs, and they often help us without us knowing. There are many interpretations of the notion of a helper spirit - many different cultures throughout history have independently described similar effects in different ways... this is my interpretation.

As for wishing to know more, I am always seeking knowledge. I love conversations about the universe, physics, metaphysics, dreams, etc. "The Other" is supposed to mean that which is beyond the mundane. It's very open-ended.

...you can do anything which is dreamable... The way I see it is that waking and sleeping consciousness are equally real. I think that night dreams are just as solid and "real" as in the waking world. If you do something in a dream, well... you just did it! But not in your physical environment. Dreaming zones and waking zones ought to be distinguished by their non-physical and physical properties, not by what's real and whats not - they're both real! One's just physical while the other involves energy with different patterns, and properties.

If I could do anything, which I can, I would uplift and advance my and everyone else's consciousnesses to the best of my ability. In my opinion, advancing consciousness is just another way to describe serving god, moving toward nirvana, shifting to the ultimate benevolence that is living cosmic love. However you wish to say it, with whichever framework of understanding you prefer, our goal is the same: the ultimate life energy.

Originally Posted by nightlighter

I apologise for the poorly written questions. You're totally right about it being a "push poll." Sorry to offend... I really ought to avoid starting questions with phrases like "are you aware..." I didn't even consider the questions as being imposing because of my perspective on the subject. I'm new to this journalism stuff so give me a break aiight?

Fair enough.

Originally Posted by nightlighter

As for being a shill for a destructively self-serving agenda, I'd like you to elucidate!

Sure. Carlos Castaneda made up a lot of shit that sold a lot of books. By sensationally distorting the relationship between imagination and knowledge, and by misrepresenting the benefits of hallucinogens and of tearing oneself down psychologically, he encouraged a lot of people to aspire in a way that worked out badly for an awful large number of them. If you're not hoping to cash in on other people's involvement in that or a related movement, either monetarily or "spiritually", then I apologize for implying that you are a shill. But I do think your view on psychedelics is both deluded and destructive. There isn't a government conspiracy to keep people ignorant, as if the government has a personal identity which benefits from that. Most illegal drugs are illegal primarily because most people judge, rightly or wrongly, legalization to be the greater of two evils based on their own life experience, observation, temperament, and cultural background. Its not from some kind of paranoid top down propaganda campaign. The 60's and 70's already happened. Its true there is a bit of a conspiracy among big drug companies, who are peddling their own proprietary product, but they're a much smaller part of the picture, big as they are.

I have experiences with acorporeal entities: I'm not suggesting that none of that sort of thing is real. I had an audial hallucination just this past weekend in which a spirit asked me a question. But this stuff is highly personal, even though there is a collective aspect to it, and is not dangerous in the way that Castaneda and many others imply. If you're honest with yourself, and about what is dangerous about your own thoughts and behavior, I think you see that most of it reflects who you are.

I'm kind of running out of time. I don't know if arguing about drugs is helping anyone. I'd rather talk about spiritual growth. But if drug experience is what spiritual growth is to people, and if my experience doesn't amount to anything in this context, maybe I'll give up and find a different hobby.

In your own words, what does it mean to dream?
To me it is a introspective, collectively conscious precognitive mechanism.


Have you ever had a lucid dream?
Yes well over 100 ld's,obe's, & Ap's since I've joined here 2 years ago.

Do you practice any form of lucid dreaming or lucid living?
Yes I am partial to the obe form of lucid dreaming as it is more intriguing to me to explore my waking environment
In a dreaming way.

Have you ever had a lucid day?
It is extremely hard to be lucid about the minutiae of my day.
I am aware that there is a lot that I'm not aware of, but you don't need to
Know the mechanics of something to enjoy it.

Do you consider natural psychedelic agents such as Mushrooms, Peyote, Salvia Divinorum, ayahuasca, et cetera to be beneficial as aids for increasing awareness?

I tried salvia it didn't do much but Scooby snacks had me tripping out. I remember vibrating through the whole experience. Though I did not seperate from my body.
Do you believe in Magick?

Meditation is the model I use to change things the way I want it. I'm not into rituals or spells cause I can see pass all that to what is essential for changing ones life. I am a little superstitious though. :-)

Do you practice Magick? If so, explain.

Magick implies spells and rituals Im not into all that stuff. I just don't need to do those things to change circumstances.

Explain inorganic beings, sprits, astral entities, etc. in your own words.
Consciousness expressed in non physical form.

Are you aware of your dream guide?
It's not like I label them as my guide. Put it this way I've communicated to another being through thought bubbles, this being help me fly over my neighborhood, tried to push me out of earths atmosphere and has help me exit from
My body. I found each experience meaningful and insightful.

Do you wish to know more about dreaming, magick, consciousness, psychedelia and the other?
Yes I'm trying to learn through my experiences and others not calculated speculations. Just tell me your true stories related to lucid dream because the are very valuable.

Are you aware that you can do anything which is dreamable?
Yes I am aware but awareness and belief are two different things. I think experience makes you a believer.

If you could do anything what would it be?
Go lucid at will.

I will post the results of my interviews as audio recordings, text or both. Feel free to answer all or any of these!

Don't worry guys.

I got this.

Originally Posted by nightlighter

In your own words, what does it mean to dream?

To dream is to experience without common restraint; it is an exploration of things remembered, things learned, and things not yet pieced together.

To apply meaning to experience is an endeavor fraught with folly. For instance, if I were to experience driving to the supermarket today, what would that mean?

Originally Posted by nightlighter

Have you ever had a lucid dream?

What would it matter? Awareness of experience need not be implicit to have the experience.

After all, even in an inebriated state, one is still subject to experience. Those fires you set on a fancy are just as real, just as dangerous, be you sober or intoxicated.

Originally Posted by nightlighter

Do you practice any form of lucid dreaming or lucid living?

How can you practice life? You either see it, or you don't.

Your dreams reflect that accordingly.

Originally Posted by nightlighter

Have you ever had a lucid day?

I don't think those words mean what you think they mean.

Originally Posted by nightlighter

Do you consider natural psychedelic agents such as Mushrooms, Peyote, Salvia Divinorum, ayahuasca, et cetera to be beneficial as aids for increasing awareness?

I don't understand. Why would inebriation of the senses increase overall awareness?

Originally Posted by nightlighter

Do you believe in Magick?

I neither believe nor disbelieve. I consider; I hypothesize; I experiment.

Originally Posted by nightlighter

Do you practice Magick? If so, explain.

See above.

Originally Posted by nightlighter

Explain inorganic beings, sprits, astral entities, etc. in your own words.

Simply more examples of sentient observation of sentience. Nothing extraordinarily groundbreaking.

Originally Posted by nightlighter

Are you aware of your dream guide?

Which one?

Originally Posted by nightlighter

Do you wish to know more about dreaming, magick, consciousness, psychedelia and the other?

I learn as I go, and I move rather quickly.

Originally Posted by nightlighter

Are you aware that you can do anything which is dreamable?

Of course; that is the beauty of your dreaming mind at work.

Originally Posted by nightlighter

If you could do anything what would it be?

Absolutely nothing.

What an experience that would be, don't you think?

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