Thread: the soul, the consciousness, maybe foreign in nature a parasite?

time to come back to earth for awhile before you end up in the psyche ward. it's your body.

I agree with Runesword, I think you're safe acillis There's so much mental problems going on with people all around to world to start worrying that you're a parasite that took control of a body. Lucid dreams are still dreams, so you can hear/see anything that you can imagine.

Face those experiences as a product of your imagination, and their exploration will no doubt keep being fascinating, but never let those thoughts make you wander too far if you know what I mean

Sorry Acillis, I gotta go with Runeword and Zoth too:

DC's say lots of things, most of it gibberish whether you are lucid or not. Try not to take it too seriously, or at least, if you must, you might look for meaning other than the parasite bit.

thanks guys

The instinctive/emotional part of my mind can experience the logic/language part as being oppressive, alien, and unnatural, sort of grafted onto the surface and dominating a lot that should belong more to instinct and emotion. This kind of experience doesn't seem to me to be very different from your experience, its just explained or described in a different way.

I don't think the logic/language part is any less natural than the instinctive/emotional part. But it is true that they don't always work together perfectly, so I think its natural to feel that way sometimes.

Separately, as far as I know, when I was about 20 had an intuitive experience where I found what seemed like a parasite in my mind, like its always there but I don't see it because it stands right behind me. It asked me if it could 'stay'. It kind of bothered me that later I couldn't remember how I responded, that detail was censored from my awareness somehow. I don't think I was asleep when this happened, it was more of a meditative state. That sounds more like your experience, sort of in reverse where 'I' am the stronger of the two mental residents. I never did make any sense of it. I'm not going to decide that it is meaningless just because I don't understand it though. A lot of times things that don't make sense for a long time can suddenly make sense later when you have more pieces to the puzzle.

In any case, I agree that you can't be wrongly in possession of your own body. Pretty much by definition its 'yours' if your thoughts are related to it. But it can be worthwhile to be open to other potential aspects of yourself, particularly when they have other useful ways of thinking or experiencing the world that you lack.

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Your really an alien in stasis orbiting the earth in a UFO. (personal joke)

I learnt something very interesting the other day... you are not your thoughts.

I've been practicing mindfulness in waking life and becoming very good at it. It's amazing how many thoughts come to mind that are complete nonsense and unhelpful. But if you look deeper within you will find that silent presence within that is the real you.

Originally Posted by Eonnn

Your really an alien in stasis orbiting the earth in a UFO. (personal joke)

I learnt something very interesting the other day... you are not your thoughts.

I've been practicing mindfulness in waking life and becoming very good at it. It's amazing how many thoughts come to mind that are complete nonsense and unhelpful. But if you look deeper within you will find that silent presence within that is the real you.

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I'd never take anything a dream character tells me seriously; after all, it's my mind producing the rubbish.

I've heard some odd things from characters in my dreams, none of which have ever caught me off-guard, startled me in any way, or made me question anything like what you've came to us with. Maybe I've gone to friends and told them about the weird and wacky things my minds conjured up, but not once have I done so in a scared or serious manor.

Conclusion: take everything with a pinch of salt; it's your body, and it's your mind trying to convince you otherwise - next time, rather than listening to that dream character, just punch them - I'm sure like your body, theirs will be able to feel pain too.

Originally Posted by acillis

i once had a lucid dream, where i meet my self.
but it wasnt me, he just looked like me.
he claimed that i wasnt the one meant to be conscious in the body, said that i was a invader.
i have done a quick few google searches, but i have not had luck in finding much if anything at all in the searches.
i thought i would start this thread, i had this experience some years ago.
i came across some information regarding this type of thing here and there on my travels, but enough to stop asking questions.
am i a parasite? that managed to claim the rights of a earthly vessel? should i have believed my mirror reflection?
i been tossing and flipping this experience for awhile now, and thought i would share it so i can discuss it and hear what others opinions are on it.
if i am a parasite, i dont really care that much. if i was able to claim this body, it should been mine anyway.

You not alone in your theory, i have this same idea last night, almost lose my sleep over it. What we may call soul or divine essence, is but a parasite, that feed on our astral vital energy, an entity not from this dimension, that feeds in our energies, vibrations, karmic traces and powerful sexual energy. A creature that don't have control over our minds or bodies but prevent us to have full control of our mind and is full potential. It influence us to do some actions depending from their energy needs, or create the seeds (toughs) in our minds to do those actions. It attain immortality by feeding on our energy, and once it consume the energy (and the host die) it travels into another host or body. Human, animal or vegetable it doesn't matter, depending from it's needs, it don't have the power for total control, but it can learn with our actions and grow, so this way it can live in our material realm.

Those are the fallen angels, creatures that fall from another dimension, and attain a way to live forever. I agree that our spirit have that same power to attain liberation from our physical body, but is not mature enough to control and fight this invader. So when our physical body dies we lost the memory of our past lives, because this soul or host is in control and our spirit is like a baby without no memory once it reborn in another body.

For me the ancient mystery schools, and their secret doctrines was a way to separate the body and universal spirit from the soul itself, and gain total control of our full mental abilities, live much longer without this parasite consuming our life energy, making us sick and old, it suck our energy, consuming it, thats why when we become older we have less control of our minds.
Jesus in the New Testament show to their Apostles the soul, over their heads, this doesn't mean it show them there divine power, but liberate them from it.
The Egyptians also say "The body is a prison for the soul" this don't mean this soul is a good thing, it can be interpreted in many ways. Also the Egyptians mummify their dead, so that the soul could not rebirth again in a new body. Again this can be interpret in a positive way and in a negative way.

The Egyptians know how to separate this creature from our terrestrial material bodies, by using the concentrated magnetic forces of the earth (pyramids) and they pass this knowledge to few initiates, they consider worth, maybe because they sell themselves to those parasites, and when when a small fraction of means know it they will not affect the divine plan!

3 degrees of initiation, 1º get rid of the parasite 2º awake our spirit 3º connect with it.

Only truth will set you free, search for it and you will find it.

Originally Posted by novadream

What we may call soul or divine essence, is but a parasite, that feed on our astral vital energy, an entity not from this dimension, that feeds in our energies, vibrations, karmic traces and powerful sexual energy. A creature that don't have control over our minds or bodies but prevent us to have full control of our mind and is full potential. It influence us to do some actions depending from their energy needs, or create the seeds (toughs) in our minds to do those actions. It attain immortality by feeding on our energy, and once it consume the energy (and the host die) it travels into another host or body. Human, animal or vegetable it doesn't matter, depending from it's needs, it don't have the power for total control, but it can learn with our actions and grow, so this way it can live in our material realm.

I agree there are many astral critters around but don't believe the soul or divine essence is one in itself. The soul is a vessel and it is what holds you together and makes you who you are, the divine spirit is expressed through that and both of these are god given. But just as we cannot see the microscopic bugs in our beds or the tape worms, parasites and bacteria - there are astral bugs which latch on to you. I have heard that smoking pot attracts these bugs, along with other things that lower your overall vibration. On top of that there are larger entities we call demons and also non-humanoid types that are much larger affecting entire communities and the planet as a whole. Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it's not there, every now and then someone catches a glimpse and things like this have even been photographed. At the end of the day, these things can affect you but do not over-take you completely.

Originally Posted by Eonnn

I agree there are many astral critters around but don't believe the soul or divine essence is one in itself. The soul is a vessel and it is what holds you together and makes you who you are, the divine spirit is expressed through that and both of these are god given. But just as we cannot see the microscopic bugs in our beds or the tape worms, parasites and bacteria - there are astral bugs which latch on to you. I have heard that smoking pot attracts these bugs, along with other things that lower your overall vibration. On top of that there are larger entities we call demons and also non-humanoid types that are much larger affecting entire communities and the planet as a whole. Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it's not there, every now and then someone catches a glimpse and things like this have even been photographed. At the end of the day, these things can affect you but do not over-take you completely.

Hello,

I respect your opinion. But please answer me few questions. I don't know if you have study the ancient mysteries and their schools, their philosophy, origins rituals and initiations, i have done it i have lost considerable time study them, also Alchemy since i'm a practitioner i have a deep understanding of their philosophy and arts.
The chaldeans, Egyptians, Babylonians, Persians, Syrian, Greeks, Chinese, Druids, etc etc. All of those hold the keys no unblock the full potential of the human mind. Like the Eleusinian mysteries those rituals induce some type of trance on the initiates, after their chosen to pass the trials, when they prove themselves worthy and wise to accept the truth, those mysteries was shrouded in secrecy, and the penalty for the revelation of those mysteries onto the public or non initiated was death, those schools take seriously their policy. What they achieve in those rituals of initiation was to unblock the full potential of the human brain, or connect it with the soul, and get rid of it at all. By means of trance, or the philosophers stone or other technique.
Moses was initiated by the Egyptian priests, and take this knowledge to the Israelites, the Egyptians also initiate Pythagoras and Plato in Thebes, were you think their deep understand comes from? The ancients know how to unlock the full potential of the human mind, and prolong life.
So if the ancients could achieve this by those rites, and probably the egyptians use the pyramids itself to initiate the candidates into the mysteries of Isis and Osiris, and unlock the full potential and extend human life, how is possible they do it without remove something that prevent us to achieve this state?
I can't believe we are just asleep and we can't achieve this higher state without something blocks us that ability. It don't work that way, if you have a battery connected to some machine the machine consumes the battery energy, every were is the same, and human bodies are natural batteries.

Originally Posted by novadream

Hello,
were you think their deep understand comes from?
how is possible they do it without remove something that prevent us to achieve this state?

Are those the 2 questions your asking? you've obviously done your research and probably more than I in these particular area's. I am more like a jack of all trades, I look at everything but only go over the most important details, then work out the bigger picture from there.

Their understanding is passed down from generation to generation, with new information being added to the mix as time passes. Where the information originated is a mystery, it could be God, fallen angels, aliens or something else. In my opinion our history is riddled with alien manipulation and Egyptians are a great example of this, in particular the pyramids which align with Orion's belt which is where the Greys are believed to come from. This alien manipulation is why we are no longer in tune with our spiritual capabilities along with the mentality that only the ruling elite shall possess such things. It's believed we once had 12 strand DNA but something caused 10 of the strands to 'break' and we are now left with 2 - however this is just one theory. In the mystery schools they learnt how to reconnect with the source/god and repair their bodies with the help of others who had already done so.

Another way of looking at it is this:
Aliens come along lets say 200,000 years ago around when homosapiens first appeared. They created these homosapiens through genetic manipulation of the neanderthals to create the perfect slaves. They began building their civilisation with the help of the humans. The ruling elite were the aliens but as time passed some humans were either initiated into the fold or worked out their secrets. The information learnt was then handed down through the ages like chinese whispers becoming harder to understand each time.

i feel like i was born in the wrong body man so dont fret about it . stuck around people who think ata way lower level, im thinkin tomyself all day, why am i here with these peons, i wasnt meant for this life.

When the self is fragmented or un-integrated, aspects of it will appear personified and in conflict with the core personality. Imagine that which you accept and identify as yourself to be held in light. That which you do not accept and are unconscious of to be held in darkness. Because you have not merged with and brought into the light those aspects of yourself in the darkness, they must appear as other, separate and often hostile. The "entity" claiming you don't belong in the body and it is it's rightful place most likely is part of you, but pushed away from your core self. Explore it, understand it, and finally love it - bringing it back into the body with you, so you may be more of a whole person.

I second what Tranquil Toad said. And of course I'd like to add a couple things.

If you have ever seen a blockbuster movie, you know the stories of the heroes confronting their dark sides and their inability to solve the problem at hand until that conflict is resolved in some way. It is a metaphor for a psychological or psychic lives.

It seems this topic hits at a common issue with lucid dreamers, and that is the oddity of resistance to lucidity. One would think lucid dreaming is a good thing, and yet, when many people first encounter that state of mind, some dark imagery presents itself.

Here is a hypothetical for you. Say the self you met is your ego. The ego resists the higher awareness of lucidity because it fears anything it can not control. As Tranquil Toad said, accepting and assimilating this darkness is the best course of action. Then instead of a parasitic relationship, there can be one of symbiosis.

Just a final conclusion to my support on the theory that the soul is a parasite, external to human body and this dimension.
Again talking about the ancient mystery schools, it is said that all those that reveal the secrets to the non initiated they are condemned to death, and the one that receive the knowledge was also killed! This ancient mystery schools put great emphasis in purity of the initiate, they claim and preach high moral values, a life of spirituality and peace with himself and the world. So this behavior from the hierophants to decide that the initiated that have reveal the doctrine to the vulgar, just prove the total opposite of what they stand for. Because death should not be decided ad a punish by other man, but by God itself. This totally shows that this Egyptian, Babylonian, Chaldean, Greek, Persian, Indian, Syriac etc etc. Hide a secret so great that they don't want to pass it to the world by any means, and again only a few number of initiatives attain the highest level of the mysteries, and only after prove capable in trust in his spirit over his own materialistic and dualistic nature, if he fail this last test he pay with his life.
Jesus as a initiate as well from the Braham schools, he was a revolutionary, he want to reform the mystery schools, that's why he was persecuted, because is philosophy was of charing the true gnostic secrets, and by doing it so he became a shepherd of man, but is philosophy was the total opposite of the old hierophants, that believe only by true dedication and work, the higher mysteries should be attained and reveal. THis is the true church of Christ, one that he baptize by the holly ghost, and not by water like all the ancient mysteries schools have done, this means only by true understanding of the secrets, man can ascend. The ancients mystery schools purify the body by water, clean it, and prepare it for the final baptism by fire, and this was how it was done for thousands of years before Christ.