OBE going to bed? and some beginner questions!

[Mist]

This is my first post here, I was wondering if you can Astral project/OBE straight from going to bed? I know you can't WILD unless you wake up early or take a nap.. but what about astral projecting? They are relatively the same process are they not? Relaxing until you may or may not reach SP and then going into lucidity? ^.^ I am just looking forwards to going to bed and dreaming and waking up to try again and WILD at 3 am... but I would like it even more if I could just astral project straight from the start of going to sleep or at least attempt. When I was attempting to WILD the night before last I had an insane sensation. I dont know how to say it but when it was happening I was trying to make myself unafraid of it so I thought of it as me being ironman and the sensation was the air rushing past me and my body moving through air at super high speed so it ended up being kind of cool. I had some hypnagogic imagery after that but cant remember anything because I fell asleep... Was I close to entering the dream state? People that astral project/wild say they can just separate their dream body from their real body but how do you know when to do this? and how do you move without actually moving? Will I have a full dream vision when I successfully astral project or WILD? gah it is so hard to put what is in your mind in typing on here, sorry if I make no sense I just have lots of questions and am very eager to lucid dream or astral project.

[gab]

No need to bump. Patience is the word. 1. SP is not required for WILD. If you normally get it, you can use it, but if you don't, you are fine without it. 2. The fast flight through air sensation is one of the HH you can get. I get it almost every time I WILD and I love it. 3. Had you stayed with it just a little longer, perhaps just seconds, you could have entered LD. See here sensations and types of entry into WILD. 4. I get your enthusiasm and it's catching, I feel it too now 5. It's not easy to recognize, when you can move your astral/dream body. I had the same problem, especially, when transition is so smooth, you swear you are still awake, but you are not. Ontly thing that helped me is thinking about it often and reading these kinds of posts. People say, once the HH (flying, vibrations or anything else) stops, just get up and walk away. I had no idea, how to do that. Each time I tried, I was awake. Until one day I saw my room through closed eyelids and I was sure I'm still awake. But I decided to get up and surprise surprise, I was in LD. 6. I would suggest keep WILDing. My three OBEs happened, when I was WILDing. At least, untill you have more experience with LDs and you prepare and protect yourself for OBEs. So please read the link and ask either here, or in that thread, if related.

[MasterMind]

Hey and welcome to the forum Mist! I will just begin by saying that nothing I say should be considered as truth, only my truth. So consider the following as inspiration not factual information. It's only truth and knowledge to you when you have your own experience. gab had many good points and the first one is especially important for you to understand, because many beginners fall into the trap of believing that sleep paralysis is a necessary step in order to dream or astral project. Instead I would like you to consider these as necessary steps instead, in order to experience a different (reality) you just have to understand that they are all a part of the same existence. Think of the reality you are in right now as a radio frequency, and that the whole existence itself all dimension and realities together forms a radio (not literally ^-^) In order to change frequency and thereby experience another reality you need to rotate the button and let point the arrow to the frequency that you desire. So Radio = Larger Reality, Frequency = One particular reality. But what is the button then? Your consciousness. So if you have this bigger picture everything fits the model of being real! Our physical reality is just as real as a dream, obe, astral projection etc. We are our consciousness, not our physical body, so in a sense when we experience our physical reality we are having an out of body experience, since we are not in the body in the first place. I am currently exploring myself and trying to gain enough data from my experiences to understand what it really means to rotate that button. And what I have discovered is first of all, that this is a really good man to listen to. - Tom Campbell (4 of 11) - Questions and Answers from Hawaii - YouTube It's based on general physics, digital physics, metaphysics - Dr Thomas Campbell - My Big TOE (1 of 18) - YouTube But the words doesn't matter, experience is what should be prioritized although this is some good motivation. What I have learned is that in order to experience another reality, you have to let go of this one! I meditated today which means that I practise the act of doing nothing. And in just a few minutes I started to experience hypnagogia and I saw a woman showing me something it was very brief and I couldn't hold on to the experience, because I was sort of multitasking that experience with this physical experience so my consciousness was at the treshold of separation. I have heard of other people doing the same and by directing their consciousness more on the "other" reality and letting go of their own they are able to transition! I am not talking about REM sleep or during a nap, I am talking about a trasition in five minutes and eventaully just a few seconds, for them it's just as easy and natural as to rotate the button on a radio, during the day, during the night whenever you want! Although that is very advanced and well for now I relay on the aid of REM, but either way meditation is a good tool. When you are in this physical reality the dream experience feels distant and non-physical, however when you are in the "dream" experience with your consciousness the physical world feels distant and non-physical! This is just me throwing my ideas in your face and I will provide some links as well, although as I said before this information is nothing else but inspiration, what it really is about comes with experience. I am still a beginner in all of this, but I think I am starting getting a little more understanding of it all. Video about Dimensions: Spirit Science 7 ~ Dimensions - YouTube Videos about Meditation: Spirit Science 8 ~ Meditation - YouTube and Tom Campbell Q&A (2 of 8) Beach, Developing a Meditation Practice - YouTube And last but not least, the man and the legend himself: Robert Monroe explains his first OOBE. - YouTube I am going to overdrive but hehe I hope you got inspired. Inlakesh

[Mist]

Thanks for all the info guys ) This whole new world is amazing, I don't understand why more people don't learn about how to control their mind and conscious like this.... I mean we all have a brain and we are all capable of it... Amazing stuff, I'm just glad I have discovered it and still have so much time to learn and so much to do! Thanks again for the info and links i'll be reading up more and watching those videos.

[MasterMind]

It's indeed (literally) a whole new world.