Quote Originally Posted by Sageous View Post
Okay, I'm not being skeptical here, I'm being confused, so please bear with me:

It seems to me that shared dreaming is about the easiest of dreaming phenomena to test and prove. All you need do is have two dreamers go to sleep, each having been given a very simple, even archetypical, image or word to share with the other during the dream. If they wake up and each independently relay having clearly dreamed of the other's image, then shared-dreaming has been proven. No more need be done!

For instance, one dreamer could be given "apple," and the other "orange," and the shared dream need amount to no more than an exchange of fruit -- regardless of dream setting, quality, or whatever. If "apple" dreamer dreamed of an orange, or just an orange object,while consciously passing on his apple image, and "orange" dreamer dreamed of an apple or similar while knowingly passing on his orange image, then the dream was shared, the test a success. The test subjects can, and perhaps should at first, be advanced LD'ers with a long record of dream-sharing experience -- and they ought to know each other well. Also, there should be two independent people passing the test images to the dreamers, to avoid both corruption of data and the possibility that some other phenomenon is happening (like ESP).

So here's my confusion, especially with regard to this thread: If proving dream-sharing is that simple, then why isn't it happening all the time? Why hasn't dream-sharing been added to the textbooks? (and please, Shadowofwind, spare the "DARPA doesn't care to spend money on it" argument, because I can't believe that the knowledge and technology that can come from such proof would not be well worth the tiny investment -- not to mention that it would make a great masters or doctoral thesis, so you think kids would be trying it regularly, regardless of any scientific and business communities' lack of interest)

And finally: why, Borislav, do you require some super-secret process developed and supported only by true-believers when the test is so obvious and simple that children could base their fifth-grade science fair projects on it? Are you just looking for expert test subjects?

Please let me know what complication I'm missing.
because its not that simple

I've been trying to dream share for months. I haven't even been lucid at the same time when my target was, let alone having a REM cycle as my target is. And when my target was lucid and tried to dreamshare with me, I didn't remember any dreams that night

There are a lot of challenges