Thread: I'm starting to get pissed off

Lucidity isn't granted like that. Some people have their first lucid in a few days, other take months. There's no way to guess when your lucid dream is coming, because everyone has a different brain and a different way to develop their intention/wish.

Besides, there's no "normal" and "special" dreams. Dreams are random, a matrix of short and long-term memories influenced by emotions, fears, mental schemes, hopes, etc. Even if you were a regular lucid dreamer, big chances would be that the majority of your dreams wouldn't be related to lucid dreaming, since it's more a mental epiphany than thinking over and over about the experience (although expectation certainly offers a good deal).
Two weeks is extremely short to test anything, especially if it's your first time trying lucid dreaming. You underestimate the process: lucid dreaming is not "dreaming about something", but more like "increasing brain activity" through mental associations and exercises.

Even though I'm sure it seems frustrating, try to let go of the impatience and just keep practicing the basics (they form the pillars of your lucid dream path) and you're chosen technique and give it time. With the majority of people, lucid dreams show up when they least expect. A bit of anxiety is normal, but frustration only makes things harder.

Originally Posted by Slenerim

this lucid dreaming stuff is starting to piss me off
i'm starting to think this is all bullshit

Then why are you here? You obviously want to learn how to LD, but with that attitude you aren't. Patience is extremely important. Since dreams are subjective you need to believe. Now imagine me saying that with a dramatic voice and rainbows flying everywhere.

Originally Posted by Jabre

Then why are you here? You obviously want to learn how to LD, but with that attitude you aren't. Patience is extremely important. Since dreams are subjective you need to believe. Now imagine me saying that with a dramatic voice and rainbows flying everywhere.

just tell me how am i suppose to believe something that never worked for me.

Same way everybody else believes. Have faith in yourself.

Originally Posted by Slenerim

just tell me how am i suppose to believe something that never worked for me.

Because it makes more sense than believing that everybody on this forum is conspiring to lie to everybody. If you want to learn it, you definitely can. Keep giving it your best and stay motivated, you'll definitely get there!

Originally Posted by Slenerim

just tell me how am i suppose to believe something that never worked for me.

I have never been out of the USA. No where else exist because I've never seen it.

Originally Posted by Slenerim

just tell me how am i suppose to believe something that never worked for me.

Do you believe in god? I don't because there is no evidence but a lot of people do because of faith. You just have to put some faith into this and you will find out sooner or later that it is real.

Originally Posted by Slenerim

just tell me how am i suppose to believe something that never worked for me.

Believing that you might know or do something that never worked for you before is what learning is all about. Most things in life don't work for you, or anyone, the first time. Some of the more dificult things, intentional lucid dreaming among them, can demand a large amount of practice, focus, and patience... a couple of weeks of effort is not always enough.

Oh, and LD'ing is not an exact science. Just because you did everything right does not mean your brain is going to cooperate. Be patient -- the best things never come easy.

I used to be a fairly proficient lucid dreamer years ago, and thus I was fully expecting this to be easy to get back to. It is not. I thus far was lucky enough to have had one lucid dream thus far since returning to the hobby, and because of my prior experience I do know that I can do it. In my case I even know some of the reasons it is not working yet: I have too much stress in my life, am having trouble sleeping, most of my dream recall has been from first part of the night when REM is too short, and I often wake up too much when writing down a dream at night, plus I am not as young as I used to be and thus I may need supplements to help kickstart things as well because my natural chemistry is no longer as good at this as it was when I was a young adult. It's frustrating though to not succeed when one's expectation was that this would be so much easier. I got to adjust my expectations, be patient, continue trying, try new methods, work on reducing stress even more and improving sleep. I don't know how much or how little of this applies to you as well. Good luck to both of us.

Hey Slenerim. I just want you to know that it took me one year of trying before I was able to have my first lucid dream. The dream lasted about 5 seconds before I lost lucidity. I can now manage 2-3 lucid dreams per week when I'm doing well, or have dry spells that last weeks. Some of my dreams can last for long periods of time and some of them last 10 seconds. It all depends.

The thing is: it doesn't come naturally to some people, and some people have to try way harder than others. Some of us have to try very, very hard indeed. I stuck with it for an entire year specifically because of the research stated earlier in this thread (LaBerge, Keathe) and to prove to a friend who kept claiming that "people don't actually dream" (basically people just interpret 'junk data' once they wake up as having been a "dream") that he was full of ****.

It took me a year to do it but I won the bet, by the way.

What I'm saying is, don't give up. It's fully worth it once it pays off, but it's just tougher for some people. That's not fair, but I've found that there's a flip-side to it - it's harder for me to induce lucidity, but many of my lucids are extremely vivid and stable in a way that seems to take other people a lot more practice to achieve

In the beginning nothing comes
In the middle nothing stays
In the end nothing goes

Milarepa


Good luck

Originally Posted by Jabre

Then why are you here? You obviously want to learn how to LD, but with that attitude you aren't. Patience is extremely important. Since dreams are subjective you need to believe. Now imagine me saying that with a dramatic voice and rainbows flying everywhere.

Can't say it better myself. Also, I actually imagined and visualised what you said. It was amazing.

Slenerim, to have a lucid dream requires patience. You need not to force it. I give you my example. I used to have 2 LD's per week. Then, for 2 weeks i did not have one. I started to grow impatient because i was focusing on having one. Then, i quit. I thought: "Well, when i have a lucid dream i will have one. I will not force it." In a couple of days, i had it.
So, if you don't want to believe in lucid dreaming, then quit it. If you want to believe or want to try to have one, don't stress. Read articles, books, forums, see documentaries about dreams. When you least expect it, you will have one great lucid dream.

Regards.

P.S: nice to see more portuguese people on the forum.

Really, i can't get any more hopes to have a lucid dream.
I get frustrated every time a new member joins here and after 2
days or something he has a lucid dream, i practiced over 3 months
and nothing happened. This weekend i will give my last attempt on lucid dreaming
if i don't have a LD i will automatically give up on all this and keep going with my life
In that time i won't care anymore. So i hope god bless me and will help me.

Also if i wrote this in wrong section please any moderator move this
thank you.

Originally Posted by Slenerim

Really, i can't get any more hopes to have a lucid dream.
I get frustrated every time a new member joins here and after 2
days or something he has a lucid dream, i practiced over 3 months
and nothing happened. This weekend i will give my last attempt on lucid dreaming
if i don't have a LD i will automatically give up on all this and keep going with my life
In that time i won't care anymore. So i hope god bless me and will help me.

Also if i wrote this in wrong section please any moderator move this
thank you.

Looks like you forgot about this thread of yours, so I merged your latest thread with this one. You have 2 pages of people trying their best to encourage you. And now you post how you giving up. I think we did all we can. Now is your turn to have faith, believe in yourself and have a lucid dream.

But if you burned out on attempts, many people find benefitial to take a few weeks break and start again, when you feel like you want to. This is something you can't force. You can't just follow the technique and expect it to work. You have to be excited, you have to want it, you have to know that you can, you can't get angry if you don't succeed at first. Everything takes practice. How long a soccer player needs to practice, until he is good at it. But even then, if his head is not in the game, he will have a terrible time playing.

I'm almost certain, that after few days after you stop trying, you will have a lucid dream. Because that's when you stop forcing it and being disappointed. At least, that's what people report. So good luck and hope to see you back soon. Happy dreams

Originally Posted by Slenerim

Really, i can't get any more hopes to have a lucid dream.
I get frustrated every time a new member joins here and after 2
days or something he has a lucid dream, i practiced over 3 months
and nothing happened. This weekend i will give my last attempt on lucid dreaming
if i don't have a LD i will automatically give up on all this and keep going with my life
In that time i won't care anymore. So i hope god bless me and will help me.

Also if i wrote this in wrong section please any moderator move this
thank you.

try WILD. If you do it right, there's no probability factor involved. It is Boolean, but that's assuming you do it right.

You have 2 pages of people trying their best to encourage you.

Can we make a template of this thread?

Lucid encouragement, just replace the name of the OP by yours and pretend you got a huge legion of people cheering for you

Also I would say not to set lucid dreaming as the goal, but remembering as many dreams as you can, in as much detail. You will probably find some dreams (non-LD) are really vivid, and awesome, and can be as fun as LDs...give you the same feeling of "being there". Doing that you wont get discouraged as most nights are rewarding. The LDs will come.

Also another option is to try what I am doing: since I am having trouble with dream recall and lucid dreaming, I have switched for now to concentrating on self-improvement in waking life of improving my awareness, memory, and also questioning waking reality but without the need to translate this into lucid dreaming right away - for now I am focusing on improving while awake in a direction that will hopefully eventually lead to lucid dreaming.

Originally Posted by Rothgar

Also I would say not to set lucid dreaming as the goal, but remembering as many dreams as you can, in as much detail. You will probably find some dreams (non-LD) are really vivid, and awesome, and can be as fun as LDs...give you the same feeling of "being there". Doing that you wont get discouraged as most nights are rewarding. The LDs will come.

Exactly, most of my best dreams are actually non-lucid. While everybody at DV probably enjoys the simulated reality of LDs, it really comes down to (some more than others) we really love dreams and the capabilities of the human mind. Slenerim, you shouldn't give up.

Originally Posted by Slenerim

Really, i can't get any more hopes to have a lucid dream.
I get frustrated every time a new member joins here and after 2
days or something he has a lucid dream, i practiced over 3 months
and nothing happened. This weekend i will give my last attempt on lucid dreaming
if i don't have a LD i will automatically give up on all this and keep going with my life
In that time i won't care anymore. So i hope god bless me and will help me.

Also if i wrote this in wrong section please any moderator move this
thank you.

Your attitude and beliefs effect your dreams. It sounds like you're already expecting to fail.
I'm going through a bit of a dry spell. For weeks I wasn't even remembering any dreams. So I've basically had to start over again. I'm doing it by being happy with any small successes, rather than focusing on failures.

Originally Posted by Slenerim

Really, i can't get any more hopes to have a lucid dream.
I get frustrated every time a new member joins here and after 2
days or something he has a lucid dream, i practiced over 3 months
and nothing happened. This weekend i will give my last attempt on lucid dreaming
if i don't have a LD i will automatically give up on all this and keep going with my life
In that time i won't care anymore. So i hope god bless me and will help me.
.

I've been "practicing" for more than 9 months. The difference is I have had just 3 very short LDs, so I know that they exist, and what they are like.
I have concluded that LD can be very tricky for some. I accept it might be easy for others, but jealousy is not an emotion that will help you to LD.

Your feeling sorry for yourself and being negative probably guarantees that you won't be able to LD.

I still find it incredibly difficult to get all the right elements in place to have a chance of LDing.
Busy life, distractions, not enough sleep - all these conspire against regular LDing.

Enough of the negativity please!

Slenerim:

Originally Posted by Slenerim

Really, I can't get any more hopes to have a lucid dream...So I hope god bless me and will help me.

"Argue for your limitations and,
sure enough,
they're yours."
-- M.H.


Oh, and God likely has more important things to do than spend time and energy seeing that you achieve that which you can (and must) achieve on your own but apparently refuse to believe you can achieve... bother the Old Man with greater requests.


Gab:

Since he only seems to post once per thread, I'm not sure Slenerim knows he can read the helpful words thoughtful people are spending time and energy sharing with him... maybe an instructional PM is in order?

You can take the horse to the water, but you can't make it drink. We have all put a lot of effort in convincing you, but it is you who has to convince yourself Slenerim.

By the way have seen some old posts of yours, you had 5 lucid related dreams...anyways...we can only do as much. If you don't feel like trying for LD and it is against your true desire, then nobody is forcing you to do anything after all. Good luck with whatever you decide for LDs!