Thread: GOAL technique (by me)

This sounds very promising man, I will defiantly do it.

Well allllllllrighty thenn

Originally Posted by Origami

Well allllllllrighty thenn

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I'm just saying that good, I personally think it's something everyone should do and can benefit from, some more than others, and some people already do do this.

Without proper plan of at least 5 actions to do in Lucid Dream, for me, it won't last more than 1 minute.

Thats why I think we need goals. I thinks it's far easier to imagine lucidity and get there if we have a clear idea of what we want to do.

IMMA do ma list right now

Originally Posted by Origami

Thats why I think we need goals. I thinks it's far easier to imagine lucidity and get there if we have a clear idea of what we want to do.

IMMA do ma list right now

I hate to be a downer but one of the first things I read here on DV is to have a goal in mind for when you're lucid. In other words... this isn't new. Still, it is good for people to know this.

Okay, so it's not new, but it is under valued and over looked IMO.

I see people really wanting to get lucid, but I bet if I asked them, only half would be able to straight away say they wanted to do this or knew they wanted to try that.

i was just thinking about this. I had my first few lucids all in one night in a big, long, 3.5 page string of dreams. Then I realized today that the whole time my only goal was to get lucid, so I'm wondering what to do next. Guess I should keep some goals written down.

Yeah, everyone needs a target for this- just wanting to get lucid is rarely enough to actually get you into a lucid state, unless you have had prior practice.

I think that formulating clear cut goals have an indirect effect on attaining lucidity. If you have a goal and something clear cut you WANT to achieve, it is likely to help you attain lucidity through increasing your motivation for doing so.

The MILD technique developed by LaBerge didn't really replicate well in other studies, but did help immensely in highly motivated subjects. Not saying that you should only use this technique, rather pointing to the fact that if defining clear goals increase your motivation, it will help you regardless of induction method.

Basically I don't know how much this will help, but it also can't hurt, so why not give it a try. It's definitely not new, but I think it was good to bring it to people's attention. Also, I dunno where you got your DV definition of lucid dream, I hope it doesn't say what you stated it does...a lucid dream is just a dream where you are aware that you are dreaming. Textbook definition. So I don't agree with the whole, half of the story thing.

Lucid dreaming is what I said: "It's a dream where you can feel and see and control what is happening, and shape it for your entertainment"

Where you can feel and control whats happening. Thats what you said, and what I said, and it's true. If you couldn't feel things, then it's not lucid, and if you have no control, then it's semi lucid, which isn't lucid either, technically.

The shaping for entertainment bit is obvious though, I mean what else do you do?

It's not new, but it is under rated, and not highlighted enough I believe.

Technically speaking lucidity doesn't have to include control. The definition is "a dream where you are aware that you are dreaming" (as said before) the only thing missing is "... while you are dreaming". There is nothing in this definition that implies control of yourself or surroundings. Although normaly control is available to me, I have had lucids where trying to modify aspects of the plot or elements of my environment have destabilised the dream and I had to revert to "OK, I am dreaming but can't do anything but marvel at the paradox that I am creating my environment, but can't really change it". Although maybe not as fun as lucids with control, it doesn't alter the fact that I entered the discrete state of consciousness defined as lucid dreaming (scientifically speaking).

An interesting question does arise though if lucids with control is operating withing the same dSOC or another distiguisable state.

Although this talk of definition might be slightly off topic it is certainly interesting ^^.

I agree there is nothing new to the formulation of goals, however the effort you put into your goals during the day might affect your success rate. There is wide support that day time mentation, or treating your awaken surroundings as dreams, increase your likelyhood of attaining lucidity. Maybe trying to achieve your goals while awake, could have a spillover effect to your dreaming world. Maybe motivation isn't enough, but attempting various other induction techniques while being motivated seems to help. In any case clearly defining goals and really wanting them to happen either awake or in dreams would help.

Originally Posted by Origami

Where you can feel and control whats happening. Thats what you said, and what I said, and it's true. If you couldn't feel things, then it's not lucid, and if you have no control, then it's semi lucid, which isn't lucid either, technically.

No, that's not correct. Lucidity does not equal control. Lucidity is awareness. That's it. I don't know what you mean by "feel"...I suspect you are trying to imply awareness, but doing so in a confusing manner. You're making the definition more complex than it should be. Or maybe you just don't understand completely. What Vesterguard said is correct.

This is good, i definatly overlook my goals, its pretty much a way to motivate yourself to lucid dreaming.

Originally Posted by Origami

If we clearly set out what we want to do as soon as we become lucid, then I believe we will have an easier time getting to that point. Instead of wanting to just get lucid, we should know of and want to do something, a precise thing in a lucid dream.

This is what I do. I plan ahead, while awake, two or three things I want to do in a lucid dream, usually with one thing being the dominant goal.
I agree that this helps with the motivation for having lucid dreams, and also makes it easier to think of something to do once you become lucid.