Thread: What happened? Post Your WILD Attempts, Good or Bad, Here

^^ Very cool experience, Ctharlhie, thanks for sharing.

Want to know what I make of your DEILD transition, based on my own experiences in "the void?" Well, I'll tell you anyway:

Keep in mind that this is all just conjecture because I wasn't there, but that moment of spinning through nothingness may have been moment of very high awareness that settled into a lower-level lucid beginning in your living room. When you "rolled out of bed," you took with you only your awareness, having (probably rightfully) left the last dream behind, and having no new dream into which to roll.

Now here's the catch: though you had expectation of landing in your bedroom floor, your level of lucidity may have transcended that mundane event. That spinning you felt could well have been your mind spooling up its new dream (you cannot, after all, sense spin in a true void, so something "external" must have going on). I have a feeling that, had you fully understood that that spinning was not actually spinning, and sought to "hold still," sans body as you were, you may have had an outstanding moment of pristine awareness! It also explains that heightened "thereness" when you finally found yourself in your living room, though, ironically, the awareness that produces "thereness" was probably slightly reduced, as you now required a familiar setting and personal form to remain comfortable in -- yes, I'm saying it -- your own skin.

So next time you're in this situation (if it happened once it will surely happen again), try to hold still when the spinning starts, and take a moment to feel yourself as part of the nothingness, all the while knowing that the nothingness is just another facet of your Self. Trust me, it'll be exhilarating.

As an aside, I have a question: Did you feel that, after the DEILD transition, doing the task of the month was fairly easy to do? Also, (you don't need to answer, but be sure to ask yourself) did you wonder about the red power you had in that ninja battle, where it truly may have been sauced -- s'cuse me: sourced? Seems there's something to think about there, and it relates right back to the DEILD transition.

Nice work, Ctharlhie!

Keep in mind that this is all just conjecture because I wasn't there, but that moment of spinning through nothingness may have been moment of very high awareness that settled into a lower-level lucid beginning in your living room. When you "rolled out of bed," you took with you only your awareness, having (probably rightfully) left the last dream behind, and having no new dream into which to roll.
Now here's the catch: though you had expectation of landing in your bedroom floor, your level of lucidity may have transcended that mundane event. That spinning you felt could well have been your mind spooling up its new dream (you cannot, after all, sense spin in a true void, so something "external" must have going on). I have a feeling that, had you fully understood that that spinning was not actually spinning, and sought to "hold still," sans body as you were, you may have had an outstanding moment of pristine awareness! It also explains that heightened "thereness" when you finally found yourself in your living room, though, ironically, the awareness that produces "thereness" was probably slightly reduced, as you now required a familiar setting and personal form to remain comfortable in -- yes, I'm saying it -- your own skin.

Sadly I had quite poor recall (I had a hypnagogic dreamlet about writing the dream in my journal and had to recall as best I could in the morning) which makes it difficult to remember my exact feelings while I was spinning in the void, I did not feel like I was in control to focus my experience there, there was definitely the feeling of being guided, maybe if I'd grabbed onto enough of my sense of self at that point I may have been able to transcend concepts of dimensionality and self experienced the void of awareness that we keep seeming to return to in our conversations.

It's interesting that you draw particular attention to the 'thereness' proportional to the mundanity of the scene. I've started to wonder whether being stunned at the apparent realism of the dream may limit the potential level of lucidity that can be achieved in the dream. In many lucids I'll think (I'll even stop and gape) over the detailed realism of a lucid dream. Do our waking life definitions of 'real' detract from lucidity? It seems by marvelling at how real a lucid dream seems, I'm disregarding the full implications of being in a dream in favour of superficial detail. I suppose as I gain more experience elements of the dream will become less distracting.

So next time you're in this situation (if it happened once it will surely happen again), try to hold still when the spinning starts, and take a moment to feel yourself as part of the nothingness, all the while knowing that the nothingness is just another facet of your Self. Trust me, it'll be exhilarating.

I will certainly do this when I find myself there again

As an aside, I have a question: Did you feel that, after the DEILD transition, doing the task of the month was fairly easy to do? Also, (you don't need to answer, but be sure to ask yourself) did you wonder about the red power you had in that ninja battle, where it truly may have been sauced -- s'cuse me: sourced? Seems there's something to think about there, and it relates right back to the DEILD transition.

Yes I would say my control felt more natural and unforced than it ever has done. It's tempting to think of that power as symbolic of the DEILD or the contact with the void, if only because the sense of the malleability of the dream was so great having travelled through the void.

Originally Posted by Ctharlhie

Sadly I had quite poor recall (I had a hypnagogic dreamlet about writing the dream in my journal and had to recall as best I could in the morning) which makes it difficult to remember my exact feelings while I was spinning in the void, I did not feel like I was in control to focus my experience there, there was definitely the feeling of being guided, maybe if I'd grabbed onto enough of my sense of self at that point I may have been able to transcend concepts of dimensionality and self experienced the void of awareness that we keep seeming to return to in our conversations.

You're right -- I think that if you have difficulty remembering the void bit, your awareness likely was not high. If it were, then, trust me, you'd remember every second vividly -- recall would not be an issue. So I'll backtrack a bit and say that your time in the void was just a bit of NREM, or perhaps your unprepared dreaming mind literally spooling you up for the next dream. Sorry ... I guess I got excited there! Still, I think everything I said might hold fast, since next time you find yourself in this situation, your awareness might spike from expectation alone, and you'll be in for a very interesting time!

It's interesting that you draw particular attention to the 'thereness' proportional to the mundanity of the scene. I've started to wonder whether being stunned at the apparent realism of the dream may limit the potential level of lucidity that can be achieved in the dream. In many lucids I'll think (I'll even stop and gape) over the detailed realism of a lucid dream. Do our waking life definitions of 'real' detract from lucidity? It seems by marvelling at how real a lucid dream seems, I'm disregarding the full implications of being in a dream in favour of superficial detail. I suppose as I gain more experience elements of the dream will become less distracting.

Yes, I agree that being amazed at the realism of a dream, or perhaps being intensely impressed by certain details or vividness, can detract from lucidity. Why? Because when you are in awe, you risk falling under the spell of your own dream, where a part of you begins to believe things like "This is all beyond me," or, worse, you take for granted the dreamscape, as you take for granted the waking-life landscape, and allow yourself to accept its "realness." All that does is change the balance of self-awareness in favor of the dream, and lost lucidity.

Yes I would say my control felt more natural and unforced than it ever has done. It's tempting to think of that power as symbolic of the DEILD or the contact with the void, if only because the sense of the malleability of the dream was so great having traveled through the void.

Be tempted, Ctharlhie, because that is a very good thought (right on the money, from my perspective), and a mindset like that will be of great value next DEILD...

Well last night, I remember falling asleep during the WILD. But when I woke up in the morning I tried again. I had one of those WILDs where I drift off for a couple of minutes into my thoughts (although I don't realize it) and then snap back into focus. When I snapped back, I was in the weird state where all of my limbs seemed to be falling asleep (like for instance if you have been laying on your hand for a long time, except all over my body).

It just kept going on and on like this (I kept doing my mantra to, but it seemed like I would never get there) for about 15 more minutes and I then decided to get up for the day.

I know I probably called it quits too early, but since nothing was happening, and I was in a relaxed state, I guess I just thought I slept too much.

^^ Nice work, Sydney, but I have a feeling you know what I'm going to say next. Yep, that's right: you have to stay with it! It sounds like you were doing everything right and were headed for your dream, but gave up a smudge early. Next time think about giving it another fifteen minutes after you reach a telltale sensation like SP (likely the source of that numbness), perhaps imagining the dream you'd like to be in to pass the time. You can even do this if you have a feeling your body is ready to get up -- sometimes you can coax an extra REM cycle from a body that is otherwise ready to wake up.

Thanks for sharing, and I hope the next try will ne a success!

Going to start picking WILDs up again! Took a brief break because the lack of sleep due to the attempts was becoming draining.

Afternoon nap attempt went pretty well. I had snippets of images what I'm assuming was dreams but I seem to have kept being pulled back from them, unsure why. Occasionally I would also feel myself drifting off and losing focus, wasn't too sure whether to just let that ride through but whenever it happened just thinking about it stopped the drifting.

The attempt was about an hour until I got disturbed by family coming home. I really think afternoon naps would work quite well for my WILD attempts but extended attempts seem to always be disrupted by family.

Originally Posted by RareCola

Going to start picking WILDs up again! Took a brief break because the lack of sleep due to the attempts was becoming draining.

Afternoon nap attempt went pretty well. I had snippets of images what I'm assuming was dreams but I seem to have kept being pulled back from them, unsure why. Occasionally I would also feel myself drifting off and losing focus, wasn't too sure whether to just let that ride through but whenever it happened just thinking about it stopped the drifting.

The attempt was about an hour until I got disturbed by family coming home. I really think afternoon naps would work quite well for my WILD attempts but extended attempts seem to always be disrupted by family.

Glad you're back at it, RareCola, though breaks are often as important as the work -- good call!

... now if you can just do something about keeping that family at bay for a couple hours!

I tried a WILD last night at 3am. But I kept swallowing and as soon as I started focusing on that, It got worse

Originally Posted by Crashyy

I tried a WILD last night at 3am. But I kept swallowing and as soon as I started focusing on that, It got worse

Well, I guess that's a start. Sometimes if you have a body function like swallowing repeating itself and trashing your WILD, it might be best to get up for a minute and try to shake off the effects of the function -- maybe get a glass of water in this case, and then lie down and try again.

Originally Posted by Sageous

Well, I guess that's a start. Sometimes if you have a body function like swallowing repeating itself and trashing your WILD, it might be best to get up for a minute and try to shake off the effects of the function -- maybe get a glass of water in this case, and then lie down and try again.

Thanks! I will try that next time

The other night when I went down for bed. I wanted to sort of practice my new found manta and experiment with the forming of the HI like you suggested. I got really strong vivid dream snippets with sound. Is that just really strong HI? One was almost like a full dream but I didn't really feel like I was in it.

I got this even more so when I actually tempted WILD this morning. I found that I would get into a dream like sequence and bounce back to myself in bed. I found it difficult to keep my mantra in my consciousness and enter sleep at the same time. The idea I got was like trying to partition my mind so that I could preserve my consciousnesses in one part while the rest of me dreams. So I would just bounce back and fourth, trying to split but couldn't.
And by the way I thought that I had WILD before but you taught me it as only DEILD. And I though SP was a prereq but I can see now it is not. Interesting.

Anyway I finally gave up because my pregnant wife would not stop tossing and turning every 5 minutes. Gaaaahhh!

Suggestion? Ideas?

Originally Posted by Xanous

The other night when I went down for bed. I wanted to sort of practice my new found manta and experiment with the forming of the HI like you suggested. I got really strong vivid dream snippets with sound. Is that just really strong HI? One was almost like a full dream but I didn't really feel like I was in it.

From what you wrote, it seems to me that your dream was trying to form. The trick with using HI to form a dream, I think, is remembering to leave the HI behind and start thinking in terms of "this being a dream." You can start thinking this way the moment you start working the HI into a dream; I guess I should have mentioned that earlier -- sorry!

I got this even more so when I actually tempted WILD this morning. I found that I would get into a dream like sequence and bounce back to myself in bed. I found it difficult to keep my mantra in my consciousness and enter sleep at the same time. The idea I got was like trying to partition my mind so that I could preserve my consciousnesses in one part while the rest of me dreams. So I would just bounce back and fourth, trying to split but couldn't.

I'm thinking that some part of you was telling you here that it might not be a good idea to attempt to partition your mind; one of your parts probably got confused, so your dreaming system kept hitting its reset button. WILD (and LD'ing in general) is a mentally holistic experience; I think it might work best if you let your consciousness simply behave as it always does in waking-life, and focusing less on a thing called consciousness (which is what happens if you compartmentalize it), and more on the complete presence of "You" as you make the dive. Remember that your consciousness must be present in dreams -- even NLD's, so to attempt to keep it separate likely will not work, and only confuse. Did I just say the same thing twice? I think I did...

And by the way I thought that I had WILD before but you taught me it as only DEILD. And I though SP was a prereq but I can see now it is not. Interesting.

Cool! That's what I was hoping for -- glad it clicked. Oh, and since it's my current choice for LD'ing, there's no such thing as "only DEILD." Oh, and since DEILD is a form of WILD, you actually were doing WILD's before.

Anyway I finally gave up because my pregnant wife would not stop tossing and turning every 5 minutes. Gaaaahhh!

Since pregnant wives always have priority, you might want to set up a cot in another room for your WILD attempts!

I don't know if I WILDed last night or not, I don't think I did, but regardless it's the closest I've been to actually WILDing. The whole thing was all over the place; posted more about it in my dream journal: 21st July 2012 - 14th & 15th Lucid Dreams [Maybe successful WILD?] - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views

Originally Posted by RareCola

I don't know if I WILDed last night or not, I don't think I did, but regardless it's the closest I've been to actually WILDing. The whole thing was all over the place; posted more about it in my dream journal: 21st July 2012 - 14th & 15th Lucid Dreams [Maybe successful WILD?] - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views

Here's an easy rule of thumb, RareCola: if you don't think it was a WILD, it wasn't. The first dream was definitely a DILD, though the second dream was a near perfect example of DEILD -- nice work! ... And there's remember no shame in landing in an LD through DILD

Also, way to hold still, and good job keeping attention to the noise at a minimum.

Finally, I loved the scene of having your Mum fly away!

PDF of WILD According to Sageous is available.

I don't know if any of you might be interested, but Xanous has made a PDF of the entire course, and is willing to share if asked. So, if you want the course in PDF, just PM him, and he'll tell you how to get it.

If the material is free and uploaded to a file-sharing server, the link may just be posted to the thread if that agrees with you, Sageous.

Originally Posted by fOrceez

If the material is free and uploaded to a file-sharing server, the link may just be posted to the thread if that agrees with you, Sageous.

That's fine with me! ... of course, I have no idea what you're talking about, but I'll trust you!

So if you're willing to post what FOrceez said, Xanous, please go ahead.

Hmm I am having many LDs lately ,but unfortunately no WILDs . So today I had an experience that quite resembled a WILD ,but I am not really sure if it was a lucid dream or just HI.

I was laying in my bed not moving at all ignoring all those itches that usually just come and then I suddenly feel like my legs are floating in the air. The next thing I see is some kind of a pivot like cartoon (which means there were lots of stickmen). The stickmen are sliding around and flying and do a bunch of stuff. Now I am also a stickman and I am playing soccer on a soccer field. Now I run into a field inside the soccer field which is called syria and while the other stickmen are shouting to me not to go there an illustrated big purple wave is taking my stickman self with it. Since I knew I am actually laying in my bed I knew that was not really me so I didn't really care and messed around with the other stickmen. Now an angry bird suddenly appeared and tried to explain the current situation ,but it was not really sure how to put it into words so I decided to just wake up.

Now it sounds just random as my dreams are ,but since I changed my position every 10 seconds for about 20-30 minutes I am not sure really sure I WILDed at all . Even though now that I reread the post again it seems it can maybe fit as a WILD ,but I am not really sure since I have never really seen HI before (Only heard and felt...) so I can't really compare it to a dream and find the difference.

Though you shouldn't have changed position, it looks to me like this was a WILD. The imagery you describe was to me definitely a dream and not HI, because you would normally be hard-pressed to produce a HI dream character of yourself. Also, since you seem to have stayed "awake" throughout, this was not DILD.

Nice work, and thanks for sharing a very entertaining dream!

HELP PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

I can't seem to enter Hypnagogia state.
I know you have to be relaxed ect. but it doesn't work. HELP

You're going to hate this answer, Hobo...

Then don't enter a "Hypnagogia" state. Hypnaagogic Imagery is just so much noise on the way to lucid dreaming. If you've been blessed with a natural ability to ignore or miss HI, than enjoy your advantage and move on! Yes, you won't therefore be able to use HI to help create the dream schema, but there are certainly other ways to do that ... Press on!

... Same goes for "SP" and vibrations, BTW. It's all just noise, and not stages you must visit; don't elevate any of it above your true goal of awareness in a dream!

In fact, in WILD you are attempting to fall asleep while keeping all of your waking awareness. It won't work, and won't become a LD, if you're not all there! This had nothing to do with your question, but I felt a need to clarify.

Well that helped me!

I'm still having issues with getting the balance right, I think this is my main issue now. I'm usually too far on either end of the scale, where I will not be able to go to sleep at all, or I will be too relaxed and drift off to sleep. Any tips to help balance it out more?

I was wondering same RC... Sageous?

Originally Posted by Xanous

Well that helped me!

Well I'm glad someone appreciated it!

I was wondering same RC... Sageous?

I'm not sure I understand the question, but if you want to know where the balance is between sleep and waking in WILD, well, I could chicken out and say, "Heyl, that's up to you," which is also probably the correct answer.

Or, I could mention that in WILD, and in truth, there is no balance.

Why? Because in WILD you're supposed to be corralling your waking life awareness through the initial stages of sleep, and doing so with your waking awareness intact. In a sense, your waking awareness is only an onlooker while your body goes about the journey into sleep that you would have been doing anyway.

There is no balance; as far as your physical body is concerned, the scale should be tipping fully in its direction throughout the dive. The only "imbalance" is the presence of your awareness, and with practice you can position that at the periphery of "the action" without really disturbing the natural progression of sleep.

In other words, if you were to start concerning yourself about "balance," then you stand an excellent chance of creating an imbalance based on whatever is most important to you at the moment (which, from what I've seen, is ironically not falling asleep but "enduring" all the "noise, which rarely leads to sleep).

So the real trick here is to both have excellent timing for your WILD -- meaning that you're doing it at a time when your body is interested in going to sleep, and your mental prep is sound enough to preserve your waking awareness throughout that process -- and understand that in truth there is no balance: the whole deal is about witnessing your self falling asleep, without making any bargains in the process.

I hope that made sense; if not, let me know ... Oh. and if I totally misinterpreted your question, let me know that as well!

Originally Posted by Sageous

Well I'm glad someone appreciated it!



I'm not sure I understand the question, but if you want to know where the balance is between sleep and waking in WILD, well, I could chicken out and say, "Heyl, that's up to you," which is also probably the correct answer.

Or, I could mention that in WILD, and in truth, there is no balance.

Why? Because in WILD you're supposed to be corralling your waking life awareness through the initial stages of sleep, and doing so with your waking awareness intact. In a sense, your waking awareness is only an onlooker while your body goes about the journey into sleep that you would have been doing anyway.

There is no balance; as far as your physical body is concerned, the scale should be tipping fully in its direction throughout the dive. The only "imbalance" is the presence of your awareness, and with practice you can position that at the periphery of "the action" without really disturbing the natural progression of sleep.

In other words, if you were to start concerning yourself about "balance," then you stand an excellent chance of creating an imbalance based on whatever is most important to you at the moment (which, from what I've seen, is ironically not falling asleep but "enduring" all the "noise, which rarely leads to sleep).

So the real trick here is to both have excellent timing for your WILD -- meaning that you're doing it at a time when your body is interested in going to sleep, and your mental prep is sound enough to preserve your waking awareness throughout that process -- and understand that in truth there is no balance: the whole deal is about witnessing your self falling asleep, without making any bargains in the process.

I hope that made sense; if not, let me know ... Oh. and if I totally misinterpreted your question, let me know that as well!

I think this is the best description I've heard! Thanks a lot for explaining.

hey sageous, i got really close to another DEILD today but just halted at the intense vibration/auditory hallucination stage. For some reason i keep thinking of really hot girls or pornstars. Im trying to not think about that anymore lol. Especially since the only reason i failed this because when i started thinking about being in a room with a girl, i started to hear a girl laughing and that pretty much jolted me back to reality. The problem im having is that it seems i only have the oppurtunity to DEILD once, and if i miss that chance i cant achieve another one. So basically what im saying is that i failed my first attempt this morning because i got startled by a girl laughing, then i fell asleep and managed to attempt DEILD a couple more times. The vibrations/auditory hallucinations never came and i had an extreme urge to swallow so i just gave in. This happened to me the first day i reached the vibration stage. I woke up a couple more times but just never managed to get back to the transition stages.