Thread: **CrazyInSane's WILD tutorial!!**

I'd have to say this technique is wonderful. My first attempt was this morning and I almost achieved lucidity!

I did some things an earlier poster said;
- I put the alarm to go off multiple times throughout the night (4.00, 5.00, 5.30)
- I got familiar with the alarm sound and planned what I would do when I heard it (say "When I hear this I will lay still, not open my eyes, and enter a lucid dream")

I had a problem though: I had also 2 false awakenings between 5.00-5.30!
In the first one I "woke up" & It was 7.02am. I thought that I had missed the last alarm and started getting ready for school as usual, WEIRD!
The second one was much worse, not only was it a false awakening but it was also a Sleep Paralysis nightmare. In it I woke up in my bed thinking it was real life, only to find that an invisible force (much like the weird sensation of slipping into an LD when you are in SP) grab my legs, and pull me out onto the ground. It then proceeded to pull me out into the lounge and pull me all across the living room and around in circles. It was horrible because I was consciously aware of it, I couldn't do any reality checks, I tried to blink forcefully to wake up but it didn't work. I couldn't move at all; I was like a plank of wood. As a last ditch attempt I tried to scream (last ditch cos im not the screaming type of person) and my vocal cords werent working.
Eventually I accepted that i couldn't stop it and i just went with it. O.o Was HORRIBLE. The worst part was that it was as real as a lucid dream, I thought it was real life and something was haunting me for the first half before I clicked about the SP.

Arghhh.

Originally Posted by Romansp

BTW, are CAN-WILDs anywhere near the vivid level of real-life generally?

Yes, they are as real as real life in my experience, even though I've only done it once.
But good attempts by the two of you none the less! I think I'll try that too and set several alarms in an effort to confuse me as to when I'm asleep and when I'm awake, might help me try to compensate with being aware, at least thats my theory. I also failed this morning but I was too tired I think, cause I slept through both of my alarms.

Damn that sounds pretty crazy pastry. I'd probably be freaking out a little bit lol. But I attempted last night. I'm pretty sure I woke up from my alarm but I ended up moving so I attempted to WILD but that didn't work either. But when I woke up and I was laying there(after I had moved)with my eyes closed, I started to see this blue analoge watch face. It got so real that I was looking at a watch and then all the sudden I could see this whole seen, but then it disappeared.what was that? Because it came out of no where but it was really cool.

Awesome about as the high realism of CAN-WILDs.
Good luck to us all in our next attempts!

Originally Posted by Kaolc

First of all, thanks to crazyinsane for the tutorial. It's what truly got me started taking LDing seriously. I've been using this technique for over three months now, and I've got the alarm and the settings down to perfection. It works every single time, and I don't move at all when I wake up.. But despite the fact that I've got the settings down perfect, I've only had about four LDs using this technique so far. I wake up, lie perfectly still, but usually I'm either too lazy or unmotivated and fall right back asleep, or I think too much and can't fall back asleep.. I did that mistake for the first 2½ months, but now I've finally found out what I've done wrong! The technique tells you to just lie there basically when the alarm wakes you up.. That didn't work AT ALL for me. You have to start visualizing a scene, search these forums for "visualization" if you don't know how to.
CrazyInsane, if you read this at some point, please know that I'd love to speak to you on some IM client, I have a load of questions.

Here's the perfect settings I've found after a lot of experimenting around for months.

iPod Touch / iPhone application called "12,24 Alarm" written EXACTLY that way. It allows you to do everything you need.
I always put the alarm time 6 hours after I go to sleep. I usually put it at 6:30 later than the usual time actually, because it takes a little while for me to fall asleep.

Spoiler for short text:

Inside the alarm, make sure you go to settings and put "Auto-Lock Override" OFF! It won't work otherwise!
New->Alarm-> use the following settings:
Time: current+6:30
Enable: On
Snooze: OFF unless you want to put it at 45 minutes, it'll go off again then in case you fail. You can also do 30 or 60 minutes or whatever works for you.
Days: All
Sounds: Wind Chimes (Very important! Loud, but calm and not startling. You can also do custom MP3s you have on the iTouch, but Wind Chimes is excellent!)
Fade-In: 15 seconds (Very important! It'll start silent then go louder, this way it won't startle you awake, so you won't move!)
Shuffle: Off
Flash: Off
Shake to snooze: Off
Auto Snooze: 10/15 seconds, try what works the best for you. Depends on how tired I am. This one's very important, though!

Go to the main screen, make sure you see that the alarm will go off in about 6:30 under the current time. Then, make sure your iPod is over 30% power (I always plug it in), and then press the power button which will lock it but not turn it completely off. The alarm will keep running in the background and work as usual, but no light in your bedroom that way.

Have fun with the perfect settings, it seems everyone has an easy time with this technique, but can't get the alarm thing working.. I'm totally opposite. Enjoy!

I would like to thank your for suggesting that app and showing us the settings for it. I had a hard time finding an app that auto snooze. I just created a custom alarm with one piano music I had on my playlist.

I'll see how it works tonight, I think about using this alarm together with other techniques, like FILD that works great for me or DEILD, and the WILD itself.

Again, thanks to Crazyinsane and you.

i tried this for the first time last night, but my cell alarm has a ten second duration alarm with fade in as the shortest timeframe so I tried to set it low to hear the last few seconds, but set it too low and was running late for work when I woke up and forgot all my dreams! Trainwreck haha. I'll be trying again tonight, I have high expectations.

The alarm did went off last night. But the fade time was too high (15s), and the alarm set to 20seconds. I woke up right in the end of the alarmtime and wasn't awake enough to think, it was like 1 second, I just noticied the noise but dind't associated with the alarm.
So, I just have it set to 0 fade-in time and 30s alarm. Should work great tonight.

My phone has an alarm function which loops a sound for a minute.
What I did was record a short sound followed by a minute of silence with the voice record function and set that as my alarm sound.

This might be a solution for some people trying to find a suitable alarm so I figured I'd share this.

I was using my custom music, but looks like the pitch and volume wasn't loud enough, and I didn't woke up - yesterday and last night. Then I'll use the Wind Chimes as suggested, it has a better pitch and is way louder, for sure I'll wake up with this one, from this to entering a dream is just a step.

If one master this technique, it's a sure lucid every night.

1st:

Originally Posted by Brunor2

it has a better bitch and is way louder

LOL

2nd: When he said to stay "completely still" did he mean eyes as well? because sometimes when i am trying to sleep i find that my eyes slowly move back and forth (like what they do in REM but not as fast).

3rd: Is a vibrating alarm that stops after 1 min ok? I used it twice last year when i read this thread when i was into LDing but was unsuccessful, not sure if it was the choice of alarm or because i only attempted the CANWILD twice.

Thanks for the help and the thread

I don't think your eyes need to stay completely still. Remember, if you're focusing on your body and trying to keep it still too much, you won't be focusing enough on your SP or entering a dream. Since it is easy to remain still, I'd suggest just waiting for those signals to 'roll over' and such, conquer those and SP is just a few seconds away. Of course, if this technique works perfectly for you, you should already be in SP as soon as your alarm goes off.

As for a vibrating alarm, I doubt it would work. Have you ever tried waking someone up by ONLY shaking them? It rarely works unless there is audio involved as well. Good luck at any rate! I've still been unsuccessful for over a month.

Originally Posted by Dylan Tinning

1st:

LOL

Haha, sorry for that, was posting from my ipod and didn't noticed. Sorry hehe.

Well, today was partial success. I did set my alarm two times: one at 5:00AM and another at 7:20 AM.
The first one went off, but guess what: I didn't remembered the technique, I woke up for like 2 seconds and went back to sleep.
The second one went off, I woke up but I messed up: I slightly opened my eyes, just a bit, then remembered the technique and closed it immediately, but it was enough to mess with the SP. I felt it coming back and my right hand feeling like it was closing (usually happens when I wake up and don't move, waiting for SP), I started my visualization but wasn't able to sleep right on, rolled over and then I could sleep again until like 10am (weekend).

The good thing is that in the period between 5am and 7am I had a DILD. It was extremely short, I only remember trying to stabilize it ( I was on a street and was raining [and was raining in the waking life as well, when I woke up I noticed that] so I did a RC and started to fell the water in the street to stabilize, but I probably was in the end of a REM cycle because I was in that dream for long, and when for another non-lucid).

I think setting more then 1 alarm has 2 benefits:

1. If you fail your first attempt and manage to fall back asleep (or fail because you fell asleep), you can try again when the 2nd alarm goes off.
2. During your first attempt, you won't be as worried about failure as much; making it much easier to relax, which is crucial to any WILD technique.

Personally, I use the "12,24 alarm clock" app, so I set the alarm to simply auto-snooze for 45 minutes. Hopefully this will help me master CAN-WILD quicker.

I tried this last night.
I used a custom alarm noise for my laptop. I used earphones (you know the kind that fit in your ear, but I hung them on the thingy on the back of my bed, near my head); because I'm always worried I'll wake someone up. The custom noise was me knocking on my computer (lol) just because I was too lazy. it was about 2 seconds long. Before I went to bed I tested it; but it wasn't very loud. I apparently never heard it last night. I might try to get one of those apps on my iPod touch, but that may be a problem because my mom, my brother, and my sister use it. Plus its broken. lol.

Any ideas on some good alarms? CrazyInsane: I would have used yours, but it would have probably jolted me awake and cause me to move in the middle of the night. Actually, it seems like a good one. I may try it tonight with stereo headphones. I guess I could keep it quiet too.

I don't have an iPod or a Laptop!
Does anyone use the "Meditation Timer/Therapist Timer- Invisible Clock II"? Has 12 Alarms to beep or vibrate at various times... Thinking of buying one as it looks like just the job for this technique. But are they any good?

How about those MP3 Alarm clocks though, would they work just as well?

I have something to tell you guys about this technique:
Huge Success ! It's hard to overstate my satisfaction.

Let me start: Today I took an afternoon nap, as always. But, I decided to try the CAN-WILD, with one thing - as I'm not very good in visualization and have tried FILD a couple of times, I combined CAN-WILD with FILD.
The result: 2 LDs and one semi in like 15 minutes. They were short lived because I was ''late'' (I have slept 14:20pm, the whole thing happened 16:40pm, I have had enough sleep by then). I finished the LDs chain at 16:55~)
I think, now, that the second and third were in the same dream, because I don't remember using the fingers.

I'll go for what I have done: First, as said, I went to nap at 14:20pm, before that I set two custom alarms in the 12,24 app: One at 15:40pm to try the CAN-WILD and one at 16:40pm for me to wake up.
Right, I went to nap. First alarm rings, I forget about the technique, fell asleep again.
Second alarm rings, I remembered the technique, but I was afraid that I would lost the opportunity because I didn't know exactly how to transition, then I used FILD just to keep me conscious, as I am familiar with the technique and belive it's awesome if used with other techniques.
So, right, I start the fingers movement, without even moving, right that time I began to hear a not much loud, white noise, I knew I was close, then I fell my legs and members relaxing and they started to feel like they didn't exist anymore, I was now sure that I was dreaming by now. I forgot the before-standing-RC, I just got up and opened my eyes. I saw my room, but with a detail: My computer chair was down on the ground. there was others 2 or 3 school chairs along my room (one there) and the other two on the corridor, I knew I was dreaming, but I think: It is not right, there is no school chairs on my house ! Then did an nose pinch RC, the air was weak, but I could feel it. I have had chairs blocking my way in a lucid dream, a FILD, before. I used telekinesis to set my computer chair up and the others I just turned back and imagined that they weren't there, as expected, it worked.
Then I proceeded with the dream to the point I woke up. I stood still and began the FILD again, I got the same feelings, then entered another dream. In this one I woke up, but I think I didn't used FILD, I just stood still again and entered a semi-lucid one.

Well, that was a long post. You guys that are having problems with visualization, use an anchor, in this case the FILD technique, definitely it'll be my best technique, but in first place my DILDs that will be random along time, haha.

I am glad I'm making progress with this technique, I'll keep you people updated, as I'll try it again tonight.

That is awesome, Brunor 2. I know I will have trouble with the transition, so a CAN-WILD + FILD seems like the way to go!

Originally Posted by Sydney

That is awesome, Brunor 2. I know I will have trouble with the transition, so a CAN-WILD + FILD seems like the way to go!

That is good. I'm better knowing what I am doing, using FILD, than visualizing something, this way I can easly lose conscience.

Congratulations on the success Brunor2!
Sadly, my main problem isn't with visualization, it's from the incapability to wake up to the alarm staying still.

By the way, is: "It's hard to overstate my satisfaction!" a reference to portal perhaps?

Same here, Romansp.
Also I have trouble waking up to the alarm! Last night I never heard it. Maybe that was because I turned it down a bit; I'm afraid someone in the house will get spooked by the sound in the middle of the night I live with 3 siblings, so ya know. Any way I could possibly hear the alarm without waking anybody up?

Originally Posted by Romansp

Congratulations on the success Brunor2!
Sadly, my main problem isn't with visualization, it's from the incapability to wake up to the alarm staying still.

By the way, is: "It's hard to overstate my satisfaction!" a reference to portal perhaps?

Haha, it is.

Originally Posted by Sydney

Same here, Romansp.
Also I have trouble waking up to the alarm! Last night I never heard it. Maybe that was because I turned it down a bit; I'm afraid someone in the house will get spooked by the sound in the middle of the night I live with 3 siblings, so ya know. Any way I could possibly hear the alarm without waking anybody up?

Probably your only choice is a vibrating alarm.

I didn't had any success at my nap today. The alarms didn't woke me up.

I think I have an idea on what I could do once I achieve a CAN-WILD.

I'll do the CAN-WILD tech at exactly 6 hours after I've fallen asleep.
If that fails, then I'll do a WBTB and attempt at a WILD.
Then I might add an extra alarm an hour before I wake up in the morning.

Does that sound like too much in one night?

This seems promising - I haven't gotten it to fully work yet, I almost entered SP, got the tinglies but then it went away.. must have moved a toe heheh

Here's another idea for an alarm- I don't have a laptop or a PC in my bedroom so this works for me. If you have a cell phone with SMS (texting) service and a google account (like gmail) you can set an event with Google Calendar for when you want the alarm to go off. Turn on the SMS reminder for the event and make sure it's set properly- I usually go with 1 minute before. You can also set multiple reminders within the same event for several alarms.

Thus, you will recieve a text at the set time and your custom alarm noise becomes whatever you have set as your text message ringtone. Unless you have your phone set to remind you at intervals that you have a new message, it'll only go off once, and you're free to enter your dream without having to move

I don't text a whole lot, so I usually don't have to worry about people contacting me throughout the night. If you have to silence your phone at night or turn it off this might not be a good idea... google calendar is very basic and easy to use.. Hope this helps someone