**CrazyInSane's WILD tutorial!!**

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Originally Posted by Raspberry

*sniffs* Unfortunatly my iPod ended up in the washing machine. It died... :holyshit:

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Oh dear, sorry to hear that..that's a pity!!

I'm also with you about leaving equipment on at night when alternatives are possible.

Here are a couple of wacky ideas I've come up with so far, and the simplest ideas are the best, some say!!...

.....If you only want one alarm to go off and automatically stop! Try getting hold of an old fashioned alarm clock (the spring wind up type). If no-one you know has one, maybe go to second hand shops, they shouldn't cost a lot. However, if you're anything like me,.. then you wouldn't be able to stand the ticking noise they make, or the loud alarm bell when it goes off!!...so I would cover it with a box of some kind and cover that with a large heavy towel to muffle it all..It should wake you up. I've used a wind up mechanical egg timer to time my 30min meditations. It works well!!!

Another idea, old equipment again!!....
Get a cassette tape player that has mechanical buttons and which operates from the mains power supply, a blank cassette tape, a plug-in mains power timer that you plug into the house mains socket (you can get from a DIY store, mechanical or electronic).
Just record your alarm(s) and /or music to cassette tape (you may need a 3.5mm Jack plug lead if it has an external Microphone socket to transfer sound to the tape player/recorder (from ebay?), or simply record from a built in Mic on the recorder if it has one).
Set the mains plug-in timer to switch on at the time(s) you want and plug it in the wall socket. Connect the tape Player's power cord socket onto the timer and press PLAY..However, it won't PLAY (if you've set it correctly), as the power is off, and won't come on until it reaches your set time(s).
I have a micro Hi-fi unit in the bedroom and I'm trying out various alarms and short pieces of music to see what works best for me...

Hope this helps, Good Luck!!

Welp, I tried this method this morning, the alarm went off and it startled the hell out of me, and I'm pretty sure I moved. I know I fell asleep some time after then, but I've got no idea how long i was awake for.

Maybe I ought to try a slightly more gentle noise.

If only I could use my alarm clock! It has a "natural noises" setting and makes a whooshing wind sound that wakes me up quite gently, but it still works....

And my birthday's in one months time. My dad's gonna replace my iPod for me :D Depends if I get a Touch or a Nano though. I will protect it with my life :D

Until then I might just have to leave my laptop on... I just hope no one comes into my room to wake me up :? Otherwise i'll be paying the electricity bill... :holyshit:

hello everyone, I found this thread yesterday, and I've read every single page.
and I decided to make an account (which I literally JUST did) because I have some questions
well, last night I tried this method
(I set an alarm on my phones calender, to go off at 4:30am, and 6:00am, the shortest time they could go was one minute, but that didn't seem to mess anything up. I went to bed at 1am)
and the first time the alarm went off,I opened my eyes for like a split second, then shut them because I remembered I was doing this
(before I went to bed, I was telling myself not to move when the alarm goes off ect)
and once I closed my eyes, I was still laying still, and I started to feel a tingly feeling, and that's all I can remember, I think I couldn't keep myself awake :(
or me opening my eyes ruined it
so then the alarm went off at 6, and I was in an EXTREMELY uncomfortable position so I moved.
BUT I did remember 2 of my dreams, (I have a dream journal also) which is good progress because recently I've been only remember 1 or 0.

so does anyone have any tips for me to have this method work better??

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-be patient, keep trying

-id think one minute is too long, you would become quite alert w/ the alarm going that long

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Originally Posted by zhineTech

-be patient, keep trying

-id think one minute is too long, you would become quite alert w/ the alarm going that long

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thanks for the reply~
and I'm actually quite a heavy sleep, so when it goes off I'm on the verge of consciousness, I'm aware it's on, but I don't like jolt up, i laid there for a few seconds, then acknowledged what was going on. I also left me TV on with the volume so I could barely hear it, could that have effected anything?

It worked! i actually set my custom alarm about 10 minutes before my real alarm during an afternoon nap. I napped for about an hour. The original reason i did this was to wake not so disturbed to have a great recall. and the real alarm to make sure i did not just fall asleep again. But when i woke from the CAN. i remained perfectly still and decided to give this another shot (ive tried during night but keep waking up on my arm or something happens like i move [which doesnot happen anymore sense i found a good noise to use {im using a reminder alert on a black berry its very customizable}])

any ways it was cool i could feel myself falling asleep and having major tactile halucinations and some audio within seconds. I felt myself just slip off of my bed of course i knew this was not real. well the lucid its self was very unstable and my attempts at stablizing were not working very well, this has not really been a problem for me before. And i woke up and had only been asleep for about 3 minutes. It actually felt about 3 minutes i would say in the dream. I also remembered my previous dream very well.

Anyways thanks very much crazyinsane! i will keep trying this method during night. But first i need to continue dream journaling well, i got lazy a while back. Maybe others would like to try waking from their CAN after an hour or so of afternoon nap.

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Originally Posted by philauto

It worked! i actually set my custom alarm about 10 minutes before my real alarm during an afternoon nap. I napped for about an hour. The original reason i did this was to wake not so disturbed to have a great recall. and the real alarm to make sure i did not just fall asleep again. But when i woke from the CAN. i remained perfectly still and decided to give this another shot (ive tried during night but keep waking up on my arm or something happens like i move [which doesnot happen anymore sense i found a good noise to use {im using a reminder alert on a black berry its very customizable}])

any ways it was cool i could feel myself falling asleep and having major tactile halucinations and some audio within seconds. I felt myself just slip off of my bed of course i knew this was not real. well the lucid its self was very unstable and my attempts at stablizing were not working very well, this has not really been a problem for me before. And i woke up and had only been asleep for about 3 minutes. It actually felt about 3 minutes i would say in the dream. I also remembered my previous dream very well.

Anyways thanks very much crazyinsane! i will keep trying this method during night. But first i need to continue dream journaling well, i got lazy a while back. Maybe others would like to try waking from their CAN after an hour or so of afternoon nap.

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hey I'm gonna try this again tonight, I might try it tomorrow or something if I nap, but I never have good dream recall with naps...

well I tried last night, fell asleep around 2 (couldn't get to sleep, so I think going to bed around 2 ruined it) first alarm at 4:30, I can barely remember that,alarm at 6am I opened my eyes, so then I set an alarm for 9 to see if it would work, and I was SO close. I think I woke up momentarily like RIGHT before the alarm went off and that ruined it!!! because when the alarm went off I stayed perfectly still, never opened my eyes, and nothing happened after a minute. I will try again, but I'll go to bed at like 12, I think I set the alarm intervals too close together, and I think I was too tired for the alarm at 4:30, does anyone have tips to make this better?
and I remembered 2 dreams when I woke up for one of the times, (which I forgot to write them down, now I only remember one :( ) and this morning, when I woke up for the day, I was having a detailed dream, and a phone call woke me up and I forgot it!! it's on the tip of my tongue and its so annoying because I was in the middle of the dream :(
anyway, what are the best times to do this?

Curses. After my second attempt, I've still had no luck. Sadly, with regards to what happened when i woke up, my mind is completely blank.

Third time lucky!

i tried this today afternoon with the LucidWeaver app in my mobile phone.. it woke me up after 90 minutes of napping..
I lay still and soon could feel SP kickin in.. but I had fooled around with the app settings earlier and the alarm sounded again after 5 mins, ruining everything :(

gonna try again tonight, will post the results in the morning. thanks crazyinsane :)

Forgot to say this a while ago and thanks crazinsane. I had 1 WILD (first one) thanks to you. Then my attempts started to fail, waking me up, because its too loud. But now I have another prob, I dont wake up from the alarm! Maybe due to the fan Im using... Im not going to use it tonight to test it out (and I will have a very hot night but who cares) Will test this tonight and I will post results :D

hey, when you guys do this, would you mind telling me what time you went to bed/set the alarms? I seem to be having trouble with that, and getting into the SP?

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Originally Posted by erible

hey, when you guys do this, would you mind telling me what time you went to bed/set the alarms? I seem to be having trouble with that, and getting into the SP?

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Well, I go to bed at 11 and set the alarm for 5 am, with my regular alarm at 7 am. But this hasn't been working so well so I'm trying to figure out when my REM cycles begin. As for SP, it's an elusive art. To me it feels like you have to let parts of your brain go to sleep, while keeping the center awake. If you try to stay awake, you'll just lose consciousness. Other than that, I'm still learning too, good luck though. :)

Very nice post crazyinsane and i thank you :D

For everyone who is having trouble finding a alarm clock here is a link to a flash timer that you can have ring for 3 times, 9 times , or 27 times.
Download The Lucid Dreaming Flash Timer & MP3s To Induce OBEs

Quick tutorial to set up:
Click the link above, download flash timer
Set Interval one to 6 hours ( 360 minutes )
Set Interval two to 99999 minutes (so it doesnt beep again)
and start timer before you go to bed!

- This is for computer and the best way is to hook up your headphones to computer and put on max volume, i hang my headphones above my bed frame (without putting it on) and when it rings it is loud as fuck and does the job, good luck! thanks crazy

bah!! slept through the alarm. should've turned up the volume :blue:

Still no luck on my third try, but I think I'm getting closer. I woke up to the alarm, and I definitely didn't move or open my eyes this time. I lay still for about 3 minutes, but I wasn't feeling SP or anything. After a while I rolled ver and went back to sleep normally.

It was pretty much the same story with the second alarm I set too. I think I'm probably not timing my REM cycle right.

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Originally Posted by Spectrum

Still no luck on my third try, but I think I'm getting closer. I woke up to the alarm, and I definitely didn't move or open my eyes this time. I lay still for about 3 minutes, but I wasn't feeling SP or anything. After a while I rolled ver and went back to sleep normally.

It was pretty much the same story with the second alarm I set too. I think I'm probably not timing my REM cycle right.

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When do you wake up try to focus on relaxing , your heart will be pounding from the scare of the alarm clock but start breathing calmly and hopefully you will enter SP, if not stay in the position (dont think about SP just go back to sleep and be SLIGHTLY aware)

this worked in a way not inteded
so last night I went to bed at 2ish, set an alarm for 5. I slept through it, which that means i might have been in my REM cycle.
anyway, I just randomly woke up at 5:30 and I could recall a dream, I was up for about 10 minutes then dozed off
then I had a lucid dream, it was so cool, it was a DILD, but I think I had it right after I fell asleep, I was walking around and a huge spider jumped in my hair and I was freaking out
then I put one on my face(?) then I was like "hey no need to freak out, I'm dreaming!" so then I was overwhelmed and I was like "what should I do"
so then I jumped up and started to fly (one of the first times doing that in a lucid dream) and i was still in my neighborhood and I flew down the street then I woke up :( I think I exited myself, but I'm still happy. then other than recalling that dream, I remembered two more. so I'm happy.

First of all, thanks to crazyinsane for the tutorial. It's what truly got me started taking LDing seriously. I've been using this technique for over three months now, and I've got the alarm and the settings down to perfection. It works every single time, and I don't move at all when I wake up.. But despite the fact that I've got the settings down perfect, I've only had about four LDs using this technique so far. I wake up, lie perfectly still, but usually I'm either too lazy or unmotivated and fall right back asleep, or I think too much and can't fall back asleep.. I did that mistake for the first 2½ months, but now I've finally found out what I've done wrong! The technique tells you to just lie there basically when the alarm wakes you up.. That didn't work AT ALL for me. You have to start visualizing a scene, search these forums for "visualization" if you don't know how to.

CrazyInsane, if you read this at some point, please know that I'd love to speak to you on some IM client, I have a load of questions.

Here's the perfect settings I've found after a lot of experimenting around for months.

iPod Touch / iPhone application called "12,24 Alarm" written EXACTLY that way. It allows you to do everything you need.
I always put the alarm time 6 hours after I go to sleep. I usually put it at 6:30 later than the usual time actually, because it takes a little while for me to fall asleep.

Inside the alarm, make sure you go to settings and put "Auto-Lock Override" OFF! It won't work otherwise!
New->Alarm-> use the following settings:
Time: current+6:30
Enable: On
Snooze: OFF unless you want to put it at 45 minutes, it'll go off again then in case you fail. You can also do 30 or 60 minutes or whatever works for you.
Days: All
Sounds: Wind Chimes (Very important! Loud, but calm and not startling. You can also do custom MP3s you have on the iTouch, but Wind Chimes is excellent!)
Fade-In: 15 seconds (Very important! It'll start silent then go louder, this way it won't startle you awake, so you won't move!)
Shuffle: Off
Flash: Off
Shake to snooze: Off
Auto Snooze: 10/15 seconds, try what works the best for you. Depends on how tired I am. This one's very important, though!

Go to the main screen, make sure you see that the alarm will go off in about 6:30 under the current time. Then, make sure your iPod is over 30% power (I always plug it in), and then press the power button which will lock it but not turn it completely off. The alarm will keep running in the background and work as usual, but no light in your bedroom that way.

Have fun with the perfect settings, it seems everyone has an easy time with this technique, but can't get the alarm thing working.. I'm totally opposite. Enjoy!

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Originally Posted by erible

hello everyone, I found this thread yesterday, and I've read every single page.
and I decided to make an account (which I literally JUST did) because I have some questions
well, last night I tried this method
(I set an alarm on my phones calender, to go off at 4:30am, and 6:00am, the shortest time they could go was one minute, but that didn't seem to mess anything up. I went to bed at 1am)
and the first time the alarm went off,I opened my eyes for like a split second, then shut them because I remembered I was doing this
(before I went to bed, I was telling myself not to move when the alarm goes off ect)
and once I closed my eyes, I was still laying still, and I started to feel a tingly feeling, and that's all I can remember, I think I couldn't keep myself awake :(
or me opening my eyes ruined it
so then the alarm went off at 6, and I was in an EXTREMELY uncomfortable position so I moved.
BUT I did remember 2 of my dreams, (I have a dream journal also) which is good progress because recently I've been only remember 1 or 0.

so does anyone have any tips for me to have this method work better??

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One minute's too much. Try 10-15 secs.
Don't open your eyes, it ruins it. Don't move even if you're uncomfortable, it's usually just another of your body's tricks to testing if your mind's awake.
You're doing the 4½ and 6 hours right. Just make sure to set it at for example 6:30 instead of 6:00.. What I mean is, make sure you also add the time you take to fall asleep, in this example 30 minutes.

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Originally Posted by erible

well I tried last night, fell asleep around 2 (couldn't get to sleep, so I think going to bed around 2 ruined it) first alarm at 4:30, I can barely remember that,alarm at 6am I opened my eyes, so then I set an alarm for 9 to see if it would work, and I was SO close. I think I woke up momentarily like RIGHT before the alarm went off and that ruined it!!! because when the alarm went off I stayed perfectly still, never opened my eyes, and nothing happened after a minute. I will try again, but I'll go to bed at like 12, I think I set the alarm intervals too close together, and I think I was too tired for the alarm at 4:30, does anyone have tips to make this better?
and I remembered 2 dreams when I woke up for one of the times, (which I forgot to write them down, now I only remember one :( ) and this morning, when I woke up for the day, I was having a detailed dream, and a phone call woke me up and I forgot it!! it's on the tip of my tongue and its so annoying because I was in the middle of the dream :(
anyway, what are the best times to do this?

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I found going to bed that late is actually great for this, since you'll have an easier time falling asleep again once the alarm wakes you.. But you aren't supposed to set the alarm like you did. 2->4:30 is 2½ hours.. In my experience you'll need at least 4½, and at best 6 hours of sleep before trying this. It's too hard to hit the REM period at 1½ hours in, because so short.

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Originally Posted by Spectrum

Curses. After my second attempt, I've still had no luck. Sadly, with regards to what happened when i woke up, my mind is completely blank.

Third time lucky!

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Don't give up. I think I've tried over a hundred times now, with only minor success. Just stick at it, I just tell myself that once I get this technique working and perfected, I'll be able to have lucids at least once every single night! It doesn't take any of your sleep away to try, so just keep at it. Also, read my post above; don't just lie there, make sure you visualize! It makes the whole difference IMO.

Hope that helps you guys a bit.

Thanks! I'd not considered that sleeping late would help me get back to sleep after waking up, so I guess I'll give that a go next time I'm up late. I'll check out the app too :)

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Originally Posted by Spectrum

Thanks! I'd not considered that sleeping late would help me get back to sleep after waking up, so I guess I'll give that a go next time I'm up late. I'll check out the app too :)

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The app is seriously perfect, it took a while to find it for me, but it's worth it to set it up. I'm not sure if it's free, though.. I think so, but my iTouch is jailbroken so I wouldn't know. I seriously recommend you to try it.

And yeah, as I said.. I finally realized I had to visualize to get this to work, got two LDs in a week or so, but then school came up again.. And the whole last week I've had to go to bed early (1am :lol:) to get my sleep schedule back to normal instead of my usual 6am :P .. I usually couldn't fall back asleep because of all the sleep I was getting, so the whole last week has been a total failure.. But it'll get better when I get used to my new schedule, I guess.

One more thing I noticed this morning.. I had to actually get up later on, so I set two alarms.. One for the CANWILD, and then I told myself to get up if it failed.. If it worked, I had set a normal alarm playing music with the app from the post above, to wake me up and all. The first one failed.. Then the second, music one went off. I put the fade-in on it, though, so guess what happened? When the music started going off, I didn't move and stayed still.. And as the music played, I could feel the sleep paralysis starting (which is usually HARD for me to get into, even with this method.. I know if I continued, I would have gotten a LD, but I had to get up for school), apparently the music kept my thoughts away from wandering too much.. I'm going to start experimenting with this, perhaps some not-too-loud music as an alarm for CANWILD, which keeps playing for a couple minutes, would be a great way to put your mind in a state to enter SP. Gonna test it again tonight!

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Originally Posted by Kaolc

The app is seriously perfect, it took a while to find it for me, but it's worth it to set it up. I'm not sure if it's free, though.. I think so, but my iTouch is jailbroken so I wouldn't know. I seriously recommend you to try it.

And yeah, as I said.. I finally realized I had to visualize to get this to work, got two LDs in a week or so, but then school came up again.. And the whole last week I've had to go to bed early (1am :lol:) to get my sleep schedule back to normal instead of my usual 6am :P .. I usually couldn't fall back asleep because of all the sleep I was getting, so the whole last week has been a total failure.. But it'll get better when I get used to my new schedule, I guess.

One more thing I noticed this morning.. I had to actually get up later on, so I set two alarms.. One for the CANWILD, and then I told myself to get up if it failed.. If it worked, I had set a normal alarm playing music with the app from the post above, to wake me up and all. The first one failed.. Then the second, music one went off. I put the fade-in on it, though, so guess what happened? When the music started going off, I didn't move and stayed still.. And as the music played, I could feel the sleep paralysis starting (which is usually HARD for me to get into, even with this method.. I know if I continued, I would have gotten a LD, but I had to get up for school), apparently the music kept my thoughts away from wandering too much.. I'm going to start experimenting with this, perhaps some not-too-loud music as an alarm for CANWILD, which keeps playing for a couple minutes, would be a great way to put your mind in a state to enter SP. Gonna test it again tonight!

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Well I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one who opened with success, only to have a train-load of failures since. What my biggest problem this morning was, was that I seemed too awake and never entered SP, despite remaining still. Any ideas? I guess I'm just scared I'll fall asleep instead of be aware, any suggestions? Thanks.