Yoshi's WILD Technique...

I just wanted to clarify on certain things for people who are confused by this thread. I see some people asking "how will I know when ten minutes have passed", and other things of that nature. The whole point is that it's not about moving every ten minutes. You're not going to get SP just because you keep switching positions. What Yoshi is trying to say is that it's OKAY to move... If you FEEL like it. It doesn't have to be exactly every ten minutes. If you're trying to sleep, and moving is what you think will ease the process and make you more comfortable, then go ahead. Honestly, when it comes to WILDing, I think whatever you do with your body doesn't matter, because it's not your body that's going to WILD, it's your mind. If staying still puts you to sleep, then do it. If moving every now and then puts you to sleep, then do it. It's about your mind, not your body. During a nap today, I awoke from a dream and turned to my left side. SP hit me in literally five seconds. Why? Because that one roll to my left made me oh so comfy. That and the fact that I had WILD in the back of my mind.

So yeah... Just be comfortable. If you lay down thinking, "Omg has it been exactly ten minutes? Do I roll now?", you're going nowhere.

KingYoshi, I am having some trouble with your WILD tech, I can't seem to enter SP.

Here's how I've done it so far:
First I WBTB.
After I've woken up, I decide if I need to lay still (in case I'm already relaxed) or go to the bathroom.
After I get back in bed I lay on my back and lie still for a few seconds.
Then I start to flex all my muscles. Then I start my reverse blinking session (if my eyes feel like they could flutter open, which is usually all the time). After this I start counting 100 of my breaths.
Once I know it is at 7-10 minutes, I roll over to my side. And I don't enter SP.
So I count 100 breaths again, and roll over to my back. Still no SP.
By now I usually lose count, my mind wanders, or I fall asleep.
Am I doing something wrong?

Also I have a couple of questions:
If i keep practicing WILDing, will it eventually get easier and faster for me to enter SP?
KingYoshi, was it easy for you the first time to enter SP? Do you remember how long it was?

I am currently in the process of taking bits of people's WILD techniques they have posted in this thread, and combining them to see if they would work for me.
KingYoshi, can you please help me answer these questions? They've been nagging at my brain all day.

You should read post #201.

Hey Elucive: I tried what you said in your post last night. I'm not sure If I got any results, but here's how it went:
I can't exactly remember, but I layed on my back when I started. Then I started counting my breaths; but decided it was too frustrating and I knew that I would probably lose count. So I just kept saying "I'm dreaming" over and over in my head.
After I felt a little uncomfortable, I rolled over to my side. I layed there for a few seconds, and I still was uncomfortable. So I turned over again onto my back. A few minutes later (it seemed) It felt like my leg suddenly bent up and then went back to its normal position in a half second. This could have been a muscle spasm, but I'm not sure. The excitement must have made the SP (if it was SP) to go away.

I'll try this again tonight. Hopefully I'll get some better results.

Elucive: I have a question about what you said in post #201. If we are already supposed to get comfortable to FALL asleep normally, then how will we be aware enough to WILD?

Hey :). That's what anchors are for... Like counting, or imagining a scene. The thing is, it has to be in the BACK of your mind, not the front. If it's on the front it's going to keep you awake. And if you're uncomfortable and worrying about when to move, that's going to keep you awake as well. During my last nap, I tried imagining a "beep" noise. At first it just sounded like I was saying the word beep in my head, but as I got deeper and deeper and fell asleep a little bit here and there, I started hearing it. It happened real fast and it would always jolt me awake. Anyways, whatever it is you're doing to stay aware, don't overthink it.

Have you ever slept on a train or bus while coming home from school, or maybe work? If you have, you'll know that you're tired enough to sleep, yet your mind is secretly aware if it's your stop or not. You're not actively looking to see if it's your stop, you just KNOW. Thats kinda how WILD works... You're going to sleep, yet your mind is secretly aware of what anchor you're using.

Ahh :) That helps a ton. I think I'll try the beeping noise, because it sounds like it'll work! I might try to say my name and see if I can hear that too. Sorry, I have another question :P Umm so I really shouldn't think about when to move, and you say only when you feel uncomfortable. Does that mean I need to turn over when I feel that strong urge to move? Or should I just ignore it? I'm just thinking about what someone told me awhile ago.. like they said the body tries to test to see if your awake by sending that strong signal to see if you will move. But I'm not sure though.
Oh yes, and how do you exactly keep it in the back of your mind? :) sorry for the questions.

I think I have done this in your example above once, like I was insanely tired so I just decided I'd lay down for a few minutes. I was soo comfortable, like I couldn't get up. For some reason I think I had a song stuck in my head. After about a few seconds thinking about it, I started almost hearing the song, but not quite. The song started speeding up faster and faster, I was confused. Then it jolted me awake. It was a weird experience, because I wasn't controlling the song. :S

First WILD last night using this and hell have I tried! It's either the rolling itself or believing that I will LD that worked for me, I think. If you haven't had any success using other non-moving methods, this one's definitely worth a shot.

Just to clear up a misunderstanding.

The body does not send any signals the central nervous system e.i. the brain does this is becouse any other part of the body is incapable of sending any signals or emitting any hormones without signal from the brain. Here is my theory about the rolling this and why people say don't move. I think what gets you in to sleep is by isolating your brain from external stimuli which in this case is visual, auditory and sensory e.g. moving.

First off...sorry everyone for not replying for so long. I have been away from the forums for like 8 months. I finally got around to watching Inception and it reminded me how much I used to love lucid dreaming and these forums. I'll try to get caught back up here.

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Originally Posted by Skydreamer707

i always get to the hallucinations and ill get these different dream scenes appearing and its almost like my mind is flipping through different possible dreams for me and ill experience what i call "mini" dreams, dreams where i hear and see a DC talking to me or something is chasing me or im falling through clouds and then.... nothing. i end up waking up to find id fallen asleep. :/ how do i stay lucid when my mind is putting me through dreams but im not entirely asleep yet? i end up getting distracted by something and then falling asleep.

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Hmm...it sounds like you are very close to breaking through. While attempting WILDs, often times many pictures, scenes, etc will flash across your mind's eye. This is most likely the transitional phase from being awake to being asleep. You have to keep in mind that, you want to fall asleep. That is the whole point. You can't dream unless you fall asleep. The key is staying consciously aware that you are falling asleep. When these images/scenes are flashing in front of you, that is good. You are very close. Just try to casually observe them like it is a semi-interesting movie. Watch the scenes, but don't try and pick out details, analyze them, predict whats coming next, try to make anything happen. Stay relaxed, calm, and let the process run its course. Just keep in the back of your mind what you are striving to accomplish. Know that you are about to become lucid and let your sub-conscious do the work for you.

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Originally Posted by boddah

Thanks for technique Yoshi.

I tried it last night before my usual night sleep. It all went pretty much as planned, I started to feel my body numb and out of control, heart started racing and I even heard a couple of sounds that were really surreal (dahhh), but all of a sudden it just stopped. I changed position right after that, but nothing. So what I did.. went back and from the very begining, sadly with the same outcome. Might I be doing smth wrong.. like staying on my back for too long before first position change?
anyways, it is the first time I ever got a little hold of what it is like falling asleep while keeping mind awake and I absolutely loved the RB technique.

Gonna give it a try today, hopefully with different outcome.

Thanks.

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Glad to hear you are making some progress. Is it possible that you may have gotten too excited or maybe surprised when the process began? You just have to remain calm and stay fairly emotionless. Act as if you are an experienced WILDer and this process is just routine. Know in your mind that you are going to succeed, you just have to let the process play out.

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Originally Posted by bored2tears

I have a question. Instead of watching your thoughts go by, can you focus on your breathing by doing the "1, I'm dreaming. 2, I'm dreaming.." thing? When I see all my other thoughts, I tend to focus on them for too long.

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Sure. Whatever you are most comfortable with, you should do. If you think it will work, give it a shot. Certain techniques work for certain people. Just always remember, that lucid dreaming is no way an exact science. There are a million different ways to get into a lucid dream. Just try and find the ones that work best for you. Good Luck!

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Originally Posted by Cardeal

YES HAD MY FIRST ONE!

Thanks very much Yoshi! I was already giving up on WILDing but you did encourage me! I just dont know if it was a WILD, but a little while after I changed position I think I lost consciousness, but I imediately gained it again when I sensed SP! Kinda fun I entered it 3 times :P but the final one made me enter into a Lucid! But it was a low level lucidity one :S I will try it again tonight and I will post results!

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Awesome! Nice job and keep at it. You'll see that over time, those low level lucids will become more and more vivid with experience.

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Originally Posted by Elucive

Okay so, I woke up before my DEILD alarm... I really hate when that happens. Anyways, I guess I switched positions a few times, then went out like a light. I didn't really try... It's so funny how during the day I can be like yeah Ima do this!! Then once the time comes I'm in a totally different mindset... Sigh.

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Yeah, sometimes you have to stay awake for a bit, so you don't crash out that fast. Tons of times, I have woken up to my alarm and instead of WILDing just said "screw this" and crashed out. You know I'm a lazy person when often times I'm too lazy to even dream, lol.

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Originally Posted by Elucive

I just wanted to clarify on certain things for people who are confused by this thread. I see some people asking "how will I know when ten minutes have passed", and other things of that nature. The whole point is that it's not about moving every ten minutes. You're not going to get SP just because you keep switching positions. What Yoshi is trying to say is that it's OKAY to move... If you FEEL like it. It doesn't have to be exactly every ten minutes. If you're trying to sleep, and moving is what you think will ease the process and make you more comfortable, then go ahead. Honestly, when it comes to WILDing, I think whatever you do with your body doesn't matter, because it's not your body that's going to WILD, it's your mind. If staying still puts you to sleep, then do it. If moving every now and then puts you to sleep, then do it. It's about your mind, not your body. During a nap today, I awoke from a dream and turned to my left side. SP hit me in literally five seconds. Why? Because that one roll to my left made me oh so comfy. That and the fact that I had WILD in the back of my mind.

So yeah... Just be comfortable. If you lay down thinking, "Omg has it been exactly ten minutes? Do I roll now?", you're going nowhere.

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Exactly, if it pops in your head to roll, go ahead and do it. Don't lay there and ponder "when" to roll. After you have been laying still trying to WILD, your body can get uncomfortable, sometimes without you really noticing. That roll is intended to hit that comfort zone and make your brain send those, "Oh yeah! Time to sleep!" signals.

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Originally Posted by Sydney

KingYoshi, I am having some trouble with your WILD tech, I can't seem to enter SP.

Here's how I've done it so far:
First I WBTB.
After I've woken up, I decide if I need to lay still (in case I'm already relaxed) or go to the bathroom.
After I get back in bed I lay on my back and lie still for a few seconds.
Then I start to flex all my muscles. Then I start my reverse blinking session (if my eyes feel like they could flutter open, which is usually all the time). After this I start counting 100 of my breaths.
Once I know it is at 7-10 minutes, I roll over to my side. And I don't enter SP.
So I count 100 breaths again, and roll over to my back. Still no SP.
By now I usually lose count, my mind wanders, or I fall asleep.
Am I doing something wrong?

Also I have a couple of questions:
If i keep practicing WILDing, will it eventually get easier and faster for me to enter SP?
KingYoshi, was it easy for you the first time to enter SP? Do you remember how long it was?

I am currently in the process of taking bits of people's WILD techniques they have posted in this thread, and combining them to see if they would work for me.
KingYoshi, can you please help me answer these questions? They've been nagging at my brain all day.

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If you are waking up from sleep, your body should sufficiently relaxed already and you probably don't even need to do the muscle flexing. As for the reverse blinking, make sure you are relaxed as you reverse blink. Casually (not too slowly) open your eyes and close them again. Make sure you aren't slamming your eyes open and banging them shut. Just lay still until you start to get real uncomfortable and then change position. If you are already comfortable don't change unless the process is dragging out too long. Just relax and try not to think too much or do everything perfectly right. Lucid Dreaming is one of those things that doesn't have a perfect set way to go about it. A lot of things work and if you forget to do something or miss something, its ok. Many times, I have tried to WILD, couldn't hit SP and gave up. Rolled over to go to sleep and BOOM I hit SP not even trying really. That is how I formed this technique actually. Make sure you aren't trying too hard. As for your questions...
I had entered SP several times earlier in my life and didn't know what it was (before I knew about Lucid Dreaming). So, it wasn't overly difficult for me, but there have been times where I just couldn't get into SP for nothing. Don't get frustrated and just keep at it. WILDing absolutely gets easier with time and experience. A lot of times, the first one is the hardest. Once you've successfully WILDed, you know 100% that you can do it (because you have done it before). That alone jumps your success rate up. Then as become more and more successful, you can piece together what all works for you and become a pro! Good Luck to you!

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Originally Posted by melmel

First WILD last night using this and hell have I tried! It's either the rolling itself or believing that I will LD that worked for me, I think. If you haven't had any success using other non-moving methods, this one's definitely worth a shot.

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Nice job! Glad to hear you had some success with it!

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Originally Posted by dreamspinner

Just to clear up a misunderstanding.

The body does not send any signals the central nervous system e.i. the brain does this is becouse any other part of the body is incapable of sending any signals or emitting any hormones without signal from the brain. Here is my theory about the rolling this and why people say don't move. I think what gets you in to sleep is by isolating your brain from external stimuli which in this case is visual, auditory and sensory e.g. moving.

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Yeah, any talk I have where I refer to the body acting on its just to get the idea of the process across. Try to simplify things in a way people can understand and relate. The brain controls everything of course. :)

I will be trying this tonight and posting results tomorrow. I have had LDs before but WILD has always escaped me. This may be my release.


~Goose

Considering I can SP easily in certain situations, this technique looks like it can work for me. I will test this method for the rest of the week then report back to here

Sounds good peeps! Good luck and remember to stay relaxed and confident!

Looks interesting, I have no trouble with waking up in the night and normally fall asleep again really easily, sometimes I don't even wake long enough to write in my DJ. So hopefully I will ahve some success with this, never tried entering SP before so should be fun. :)

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Originally Posted by KingYoshi

Step 3: Getting into SP
This step is simple. Lay completely still and try not to move at all. Let your mind wonder, but do not focus on any of your thoughts. Just casually allow them to pass through your mind without truly focusing on them. Make sure you are aware of your thoughts so you don't fall asleep, but don't think upon one thought for too long. After laying completely still for about 7-10 mins or so, Change position. I roll over to my side. Keep your eyes closed during the position change. Once again lie completely still and let your mind wonder freely. Keep changing position in 7-10min intervals until you begin to enter SP. Most of the time, I enter SP right after my first position change.

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This might work for me, I'm going to have to try it tonight. OMG why does it have to be 8:30 am!
and I have 3 classes today! :(.

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Originally Posted by Stubert

Looks interesting, I have no trouble with waking up in the night and normally fall asleep again really easily, sometimes I don't even wake long enough to write in my DJ. So hopefully I will ahve some success with this, never tried entering SP before so should be fun. :)

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Yeah, you should definitely give it a shot! Since you can wake up and fall bask to sleep easily, WILDing may be the perfect induction method for you. Good Luck to you!

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Originally Posted by Shadow27

This might work for me, I'm going to have to try it tonight. OMG why does it have to be 8:30 am!
and I have 3 classes today! :(.

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Good Luck and I feel you on the classes! Any morning I have class, I wake up and immediately enter my internal struggle on whether to actually go to them or not, lol.

Yeah I just got back from my 9:30 and I have a 1:00 - 3:00 then a 4:00

Well first I found that trying to do this made me completely forget to wake the first time so I remembered nothing. On the second night I managed to wake but then I found after laying still for a while I entered what felt like SP but I had no hallucinations and after a few seconds it just went and I felt very awake. I'll keep practising and hopefully soon I will have some success.

EDIT: Just read that dull swirling colours are a common HI, I saw these during the period I felt I was in SP but as I see them fairly often I never thought of them as early signs of SP.

One question I do have is when you wake up are you supposed to lay still and try it without waking up much at all or are you supposed to get out of bed for a min or so?

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Originally Posted by Stubert

Well first I found that trying to do this made me completely forget to wake the first time so I remembered nothing. On the second night I managed to wake but then I found after laying still for a while I entered what felt like SP but I had no hallucinations and after a few seconds it just went and I felt very awake. I'll keep practising and hopefully soon I will have some success.

EDIT: Just read that dull swirling colours are a common HI, I saw these during the period I felt I was in SP but as I see them fairly often I never thought of them as early signs of SP.

One question I do have is when you wake up are you supposed to lay still and try it without waking up much at all or are you supposed to get out of bed for a min or so?

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This depends on the dreamer. You want to be awake/alert enough that you won't just crash out and lose consciousness, but you also don't want to be too alert (hard to fall asleep/trigger SP). You will just have to experiment with the times yourself. If you find you are losing consciousness while attempting to WILD...stay up a bit longer before attempting. If you find it is hard to get SP to set in and fall back to sleep, try it sooner after waking.

i will try this but i don't want to get into a scary sleep paralysis where i see funky evil stuff then float out the window look it up on yutube sometimes you will think aliens are trying to get you because you see them and you start to float out the window or getting dragged across the floor by evil creatures that want to kill oyu or something weird

Well, sometimes the SP can get a little crazy, but the majority of the time...its just flashing lights, stars, images, muffled sounds...small stuff like that. If anything scary comes, just ignore it and act like it isn't there. Remind yourself that this is all fake and you cannot be harmed. Even the scariest of things is a lot less scary when you know it is fake. Don't fear SP, for the most part...its pretty damn cool :)

Hey Yoshi, so I just tried this technique recently. It was STB but I'm going to try it with a nap later. I think
I'm doing the rollover thing wrong because its not actually helping, it makes the numbness go away a little.
I feel like even if I'm doing it at the wrong time it wouldn't make me regress would it?

When you roll over, do it slowly and keep your eyes closed. Act as if you are really tired and groggy. If your body starts to get real numb and you think SP is close to setting in, don't roll over. The roll is to help reset if you have been laying there for a while with no results.

I've been astonished about Yoshi's wild tecnique working out the first time I tried. I had my first LD with Dream control and super powers, chained with DEILD.

Last night I read KingYoshi's tutorial before going to bed and it was a success.

This is how it worked for me:

I went to sleep at 2 and a half a.m. I relaxed my self and I applied the first phases of Yoshi's WILD. .
After the reverse blinking I felt so relaxed that I was not able to open again my eyes. So I just let my thoughts free withouth focusing on any. After 10-15 minutes I turned on my side.
I waited for HI but after half an hour nothing happened. It's only after one hour that I felt really scared. I was supine, completely relaxed and I heard whispers, and a female voice I could not understand. At the beginning I felt happy. I told to myself: "Finally HI is coming". Suddenly I felt a hand pressing on my face like a claw. In spite of the great fright I maintained my concentration, I remained still and I thought it was just an hallucination.
Then I began to see the first images passing behind my eyelids. I left them pass trough until I had a stable one: a bunny with an aggressive look becoming bigger and bigger. That was the stable image that made begin the lucid dream.
To confirm I really was in LD i did a RC: I stretch out my arm and i saw it extending. I really was in a LD.
I was inside the building of a hotel with different floors opening on a central hall. I'm running away from a hostile presence who is following me.
At this point the first LD ended.

I relaxed again. I left the HI flow again and I DEILD to the following dream:

The hostile presence remained but the setting changed: I was inside my attic. The ceiling was very low, I was knelt and in front of me there was a concrete wall. It was very difficult to flee away. I thought that I was in a dream and that everything was possible. So i put my hand through the wall and I saw it sinking into it with the sensation of a thick rubber. The arm followed the hand, then the shoulder and finally all the body passed to the other side. I felt a deep sensation of pleasure, like a little pleasant rebirth.

Again the dream ended. Then I relaxed and DEILDED again to the third dream.

I found myself again in the hotel. I looked out the first floor fence into the central hall. I leant against the fence and again I realized I could not flee away. So I tried my first attempt to fly.
I've just thought to fly and my body started hovering in the air. The higher I was stretching my arm the faster I was hovering up. I flew until the ceiling, then i clenched my fist and I left it passing trough the ceiling. Very slowly all my body followed the way my fist opened up.
To resurface on the upper floor was slow and inside the concrete the sight obscured. After re-emerging, the light turned on very slowly, like a an halogen lamp switched on in slow motion.
Reality fatigued to build itself again.

The dream continued but I could not remember the following. I've to work more on Dream Recall.

Thank you Yoshi!

Awesome Mr. Blue! I'm so glad it worked out for you and congrats on your success! DEILDs are a great way to chain short dreams and extend the lucid dreaming experience. They are very easy compared to the initial WILD as well. That was impressive and I'm glad I could be of some service...thank you for sharing your experience!