You always have to do WILD with a WBTB. You can stay up for however long you need, but make sure you aren't too awake when you go to do your WILD.Quote:
Originally Posted by boxin20
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You always have to do WILD with a WBTB. You can stay up for however long you need, but make sure you aren't too awake when you go to do your WILD.Quote:
Originally Posted by boxin20
Any tips on keeping my eyes in a fixed position?
I always get twitches, numbness, racing heart hallucination, and tingly sensations whenever I attempt this method. It's either that or I fall asleep, I guess I should really consider doing this with a WBTB.
It!'s nearly impossible to WILD without it on a WBTB. If you get these sensation without a WBTB, then you'll probably be very good at WILD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Azul
I didn't really realize that although it's been said a thousand times lol, how can the sensations determine if I'll be good at WILD'ing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Taffy
These kind of hypnagogic (sleep onset) sensations are a good indication of how far asleep you are falling. WILD is really all about training yourself to retain a modicum of conscious awareness through the process of falling asleep so that you remain lucid through to dream formation.
Oops, didn't notice that I said the same thing in my last post. Thought that was in a different thread. >w<Quote:
Originally Posted by Azul
Ohhh ok I see that makes total sense, right now all I can really do is practice getting use to the somewhat sensations that I'm experiencing. I'm definitely not going to give up!
Many thanks to yoshi for teaching this technique, it worked great and was able to get my first WILD on my third day. The key for me was to attain more tiredness than awareness which helped me reached SP and to focus on falling asleep instead of waiting for HI to occur
If i changed position, should I still do the flex freeze?
No, just resume passive obervation/awareness.
You shouldn't even think of the roll over as an intentional movement, do it, and then carry on as if it hadn't happened. You shouldn't dwell on ideas of how far you've 'progressed' as those will keep you from sleep and dream formation. Do the initial relaxation and then focus on sleep and awareness.
I didn't succeed last night; but here's how it went:
I woke up after 5 hours for WBTB and used the restroom, then stayed up for 10 minutes. I then got back in bed, and flex-freezed.
Then I remember rolling over about 5 times before I gave up.
When I did give up; I looked at the clock to see what time it was. It had been almost 45 minutes since I started the attempt.
Do you think that I should have a shorter WBTB?
It may be you were simply too awake full stop, try waking for WBTB after fewer hours sleep and try then. The urge to return to sleep will be stronger.
On the other hand if you rolled over 5 times and then gave up and checked the time you were probably keeping yourself awake getting hung up on waiting for something to happen.
Yeah, you're probably right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ctharlhie
But I'm not sure how I can fall asleep while staying aware (passively observing my thoughts for some reason makes me think too hard..) - since I'm supposed to fall asleep in order to achieve the WILD in the first place.
Well Yoshi does say he's a natural at reaching SP, and seeing as he seems to be a pretty zen guy as he made the guide on ADA, it's probably easy for him to passively observe. There's nothing wrong with counting to remain aware, in zazen meditation practitioners start out counting breaths before they develop the concentration to be aware with no point of focus.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sydney
When you are passively observing your thoughts do you ever feel as if you're talking to yourself? Do your mouth and tongue move around a little as if you were really talking? Are you forming words that follow or expand on your thoughts? If so, you are not being passive. What you want to aim for is the second level of awareness. You know what it means to be aware of your thoughts, now try to be aware of your awareness. This will create a momentary sense of detachment from yourself. With practice you can maintain this sense of detachment long enough to watch yourself fall asleep.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sydney
I never quite looked at it that way :)Quote:
Originally Posted by dms111
One quick question. Can you do this technique when you are about to sleep in the evening, or do you have to wake up in the midle of the night?
As with any WILD technique it's going to be harder when first going to bed as your brain is winding down into Non-REM sleep. However, being sleep deprived and going to bed late may lead to success.
Can i use some music with headphones to help me relax doing step 2 and 3?
I use some music to help me out with the daily meditation...
I can't seem to stay awake whenever I try to WILD its buggin the hell out of me! I'm seriously thinking of trying a new technique :shakehead2:
I don't really understand the turning part. In an earlier step, you say not to move anymore once you flexed. Is this the only exception? Should I do the flexing again once I turned?
Ok.. So I have been trying to get lucid now for a week with WILD and sometimes with the combination with WBTB. I goes Fine until i get into SP.. When I enter SP my mind tricks me that I am having a heart attack. And its freaking me out! Its like a hard push over my heart and i get the feeling it stops, and I cant breath. So I wake up.. Really anoying!
Anyone have a suggestion or technice I could use?
It's 2pm right now, but I'm gonna try this anyways since this has so many vouches. *Closingcurtains
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