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I have another question, when you WILD, after you enter your dream and RC and determine you are dreaming, will you have to 'ground yourself' in your dream, ie, spinning around, rubbing your hands together, examining things; or will you not be kicked from your dream if you attain lucidity via WILD?
I always recommend stabilizing the dream at the start of any lucid. Once you perform your RC, just stand there for a moment and let everything settle in. Rub your hands, maybe feel some textures/objects around you, rub your eyes to get everything focused, etc. I wouldn't recommend anything drastic like dream spinning. Just some subtle things to let the dream settle in. Sometimes all you really need to do is stand there for a few moments. This goes for any lucid dream, btw. Taking a few moments to stabilize will help extend your dreams and enhance your experience. Is it required? Nah, only if the dream seems very unstable, but it is recommended. Each dream is different as far as stability is concerned, but even if everything is crystal clear and perfectly stable...I recommend waiting a few moments anyway. Just to be safe.
I have another, more broad question (thanks for your answers lol), what is a lucid dream like? From reading a couple of your WILD DJ entries, from what I understand, in your dreams you have control over certain aspects ie, keyblade, flying, but for the rest of it you just kind of roll with whatever happens next?
If I wanted to go through my window upon waking, and fly over my hometown, and do nothing but this; would this happen? Or would I meet a DC or something different would happen that would alter the course of the dream?
Yeah, you can do anything you want really. Some things take practice and technique, but once you learn control...you can do anything. I often like to just play along with dream plot and act as if DCs are real and I'm in an alternate world. Every now and then I will go into "god mode" and just wreck shit or go on sex sprees, lol. If you want, you can take a look at my old Dream Journal. Its from when I was new to the whole experience and would specifically set out to do things or just fly around the whole dream, etc. Now days, I have more fun seeing all the crazy plots and characters my mind puts in front of me and just seeing where the adventure takes me. Now, your dream will often throw random shit at you and chances to enter dream plot, but you can simply ignore them. Plus, unless you are experienced with LDing, you can easily lose lucidity if you just play along with the dream plot. Admittedly, it has taken some practice to get good at it.
Edit: I don't really specify sometimes, but I use a lot of passive control in my lucid dreams. Basically, I think/expect something to happen...and it does. I forget to talk about it sometimes, but many things that seem to "just happen" for me...I actually am making happen with passive control. Then, a lot of crazy shit does seem to "just happen" in my dreams :P. I assure you though...I have very good control in my dreams for the most part. :P
In connection with WBTBing, can I use my "peeing instinct"(the instinct we get when our bladder is full) as a substitute to an alarm clock? I lived in a small apartment with 4 other people, It would be rude for them to be disturbed. If you think that my "peeing instinct" won't get the job done, is there ANY substitute to an alarm clock?
Yeah, that will work fine. Drink a bunch of fluids before bed and you will wake naturally to relieve yourself. You could also put a cellphone in your sock and set the alarm to vibrate.
Didn't you ever have a dream in which you need so much to go to the bathroom...And then you wake up and you so much have to go to the bathroom...lol
I never did this during the dream though, I hope when you relieve yourself during the dream, you don't relieve yourself in your bed!:doh:
I tried it and it worked like a charm. But something's bugging me. Last night, I drunk 3 glasses of water then I slept like i would to. Then, I had a dream(I wasn't lucid). In the dream, my mouth was stuffed(really stuffed) with cotton(I was breathing through my nose). One of the DC told me I just went to the dentist. Everything went perfectlly until at a certain part of my dream, I had a hard time breathing. It's because my nose began to become Stuffed/clogged. Now: my Nose AND my Mouth is both clogged. I began to struggle for air in my dream, after a long struggling, i woke up. then I peeid and went back to my bed.Quote:
Originally Posted by KingYoshi
I got a question for you: Did i woke up because My bladder's full or because i was suffocated in my dream?
Not as experienced as yoshi, but I think its because of the suffocation, which was because of your bladder. You had to pee, and instead of pissing yourself in your bed, your brain made you suffocate in your dream so you would wake up and realize this.Quote:
Originally Posted by weakamon
On a different note, Im going to try and WILD in the afternoon today, ill let you know how it goes.
Thanks for the answer! I'll try to do an attempt this night. Let me see if i get suffocated again(I'll drink a lot of water again)Quote:
Originally Posted by LonelyTurtle
Worst case scenario last night. I woke up at 3:50 for a WBTB WILD. I then proceded to try this technique for an hour, without success. I was laying still, eyes closed, and would roll aobut every 10 minutes. Neither SP, nor a dream, would come. So now I lost a lot of sleep, and epicly failed. advice?
you know just before you enter WILD you should hear a sound of some kind just by your ear? (everyone doesn't but it's common).
well this thing has happened to me a few times now that even when im not attempting a WILD, just when i feel myself falling asleep and losing grip on reality and time and space ect. I hear this zipper sound by my ear and it's quite loud and i actually wake up to this??
is it possible that the sound i hear is this same sound your supposed to hear before you enter WILD?
That sound you hear is a hypnagogic hallucination. I hear them all the time when I'm wilding. Even whenQuote:
Originally Posted by ronna
I am not disoriented yet. I usually hear tones, a piano, or even voices and they can be quiet like a passing
thought or earsplittingly loud but still in your mind.
That is exactly what I would have said :)! Turtle gets it! Dreams often do things like this. They will disguise the outside world in very creative and random ways. I notice it mostly with sound because it frequently penetrates the dream world. For example, an alarm clock may start out in the dream as a quacking duck and then slowly began to sound more like the alarm until you wake up.Quote:
Originally Posted by LonelyTurtle
It seems you had woken yourself up too much during your WBTB. Try to stay awake for a shorter amount of time before attempting the WILD. You may just want to try stay awake for a few minutes before trying. Also, make sure you aren't thinking about that 10 minute roll over. Just lay there performing the technique and if it seems you have laid there for a while and nothing is happening, slowly roll over keeping your eyes closed into a new position. 10 minutes is just an estimate, so make sure you aren't trying to hit the 10 minutes precisely every time. If you are doing this, you are too concentrated on the technique and this may hinder your success. Try not to really think about the technique and just perform it. Nothing has to be exact or perfect. Remember, if you lay awake for long periods of time, this simply means you couldn't fall asleep. Either you weren't tired (unlikely in this situation), or you were doing something to keep yourself awake (whether you noticed it or not).Quote:
Originally Posted by RXC573
Like Shadow said, this is HH (hypnagogic hallucination). These will often times start to occur even before SP has really set in. These noises, numbness, seeing your thought, etc are the early signs that SP is starting/trying to set in. You have just sit back and passively observe the HH/HI. Act as if nothing strange is happening and all of this is normal. Anything unpleasant/frightening should simply be ignored and it will pass. Just let these hallucinations come and go as they please. Meanwhile, continue to fall into a deeper and deeper sense of relaxation.Quote:
Originally Posted by ronna
Yoshi, all I did was sit up in bed and shake my limbs around, but i was really focusing on trying to have concious thoughts so that i would not fall unconcious. Also, although my arms and legs got a little bit tingly, it never spread to my chest area. I find this whole situation peculiar
Numbness doesn't spread to your chest until late-stage hypnagogia which will beQuote:
Originally Posted by RXC573
extremely close to sleep paralysis.
So I should have layed there longer? when I felt the numbness in my legs and arms, I thought i was on the right track, and continued to stay still, but the numbness never spread. OH well, I will try again tonight!
I'm definitely going to try these techniques tonight, I've been messing around lately. The reverse blinking technique sounds really interesting.
Thanks for the guide :D.
I've recently been playing with a technique where I try to simulate Rapid Eye Movement
to sort of trick my body. It seemed to increase HI the one time I tried it. I'll let you guys
know how it works on my next WILD.
Tried to WILD today, to no avail. I had gotten up today at around 12:00 and gone to school, still quite tired as I had only gotten about 7 hours of sleep. After I got home I waited until about 5:30 and tried to WILD. I sat still for like 20 minutes, my whole body (except my head) totally asleep, i felt like I didnt even have any arms or legs after a while, I was calm too; focused on the blackness and breathing. When I rolled over it was kind of like I was made of slow motion jello, and my limbs had to kind of slowly move. I layed there for about two hours, rolling occasionally. I guess it didnt work because I was too awake, not to mention my damn cat was sleeping next to me and would twitch and lick itself and shit every 5 seconds. I think ill try a WBTB later, I'm fairly confident it will work.
You made some progress my friend, give it more time.Quote:
Originally Posted by LonelyTurtle
Ah, yeah you really shouldn't try to focus on anything. This is doing too much and will cause the laying awake for extended periods of time with no results. I suggest letting your mind free. let your thoughts pass in and out at will. In order to not lose consciousness...keep watch on the darkness of your closed eyes. Let your mind wonder, but keep the darkness in the background of everything. Always keep an eye on it and watch for anything happening in it. Stay relaxed and don't try to do too much.Quote:
Originally Posted by RXC573
You were on the right track. You just needed to keep following the "path" towards sleep. The whole problem was that you didn't fall asleep. You got to the numbness and early signs of SP trying to set in, but you were just too conscious. You have to really tip-toe the line and stay just on the conscious side.Quote:
Originally Posted by RXC573
Awesome, be sure to post your results or any questions you may have concerning your attempt. Good luck to you!Quote:
Originally Posted by AquaSculptor
That sounds very interesting indeed. Be sure to update us with your progress on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow27
Yeah, keep in mind that when you lay awake for long periods of time with no results, you simply aren't getting close enough to falling asleep. You may not have been tired enough, or may have been concentrating/too focused on something that kept you awake. Just keep trying and try to get a little closer each time. Good luck and if you have any more questions, don't hesitate to ask!Quote:
Originally Posted by LonelyTurtle
Hey, Yoshi. I decided to try your tutorial out. I've tryed few other WILD tutorials and they were succesful, but I just don't find them enoyable.
I almost never expeience HI and never notice when I enter SP. I just lay down and enter my LD without realizing or any signs. Fortunately, I always end up in another place, so I know I am lucid, but how should I know if I am not deaming NOW, while laying in my bed?
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Originally Posted by KingYoshi
I tried it last night and I had mixed results but I guess I learned something x_x. I can't enter SP on purpsoe, Every time I woke up from a dream I would spend 3-9 minutes laying still after changing positions and It just wouldn't work no matter what I tried, but whenever I fell asleep after forgetting about it I would wake up in the middle of my dream exremely tired, if I closed my eyes for 3-7 seconds the effects of SP and audio hallucinations started to take place. I felt like my entire body was vibrating and I kept hearing a voice say "IIdontWant3000" really fast x_x it was weird. But yay I guess, atleast I know how to do it kinda now. I'll just set my alarm to wake me up at 2 hour intervals.
It can be a bit tricky. I try to use this logic...when you are trying to WILD, your eyes are closed correct? Well, after SP and any HH/HI if your eyes are opened, but you don't remember ever actually opening them, you are likely in the dream state. If you don't really notice SP, your eyes will still be open without explanation once you are in the dream state.Quote:
Originally Posted by Purebred
Nice, you at least got to feel the effects of SP! Just keep trying to stay in SP a little longer each time and work toward completing the transition. Nice job and keep practicing and making progress!Quote:
Originally Posted by AquaSculptor