Thread: [MUST READ] New WILD videos on YouTube! - Lucidology 101&102

Having watched a good deal of these videos,

Am I the only one who thinks that a lot of the techniques and information is misleading and sometimes just outright hocum?

Very well presented and produced, but it comes across to me like the real focus here is to establish this random guy as an expert, then to cash in.
No harm in that, and business is business.
Just rubs me up the wrong way.

But i'm more concerned with the many things mentioned in these videos that just don't add up, make sense, or mislead.
Problem is it's all said with such confidence, that people will just lap it up.

Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

Having watched a good deal of these videos,

Am I the only one who thinks that a lot of the techniques and information is misleading and sometimes just outright hocum?

Very well presented and produced, but it comes across to me like the real focus here is to establish this random guy as an expert, then to cash in.
No harm in that, and business is business.
Just rubs me up the wrong way.

But i'm more concerned with the many things mentioned in these videos that just don't add up, make sense, or mislead.
Problem is it's all said with such confidence, that people will just lap it up.

Which stuff didnt add up to you or sounded like it would work in tat video to you? I watched all the videos and was going to try it tonight but i dont want to try some of the stuff if its bs. if you could be any help thanks.

Those videos remind me of a late night Infomercial advertisement. I keep waiting for the guy to throw in a free Shamwow.

The info seemed pretty worthwhile to me.
The stop drop and roll technique, the couple of times I tried it, worked a treat.

So has anyone had success with the lucid timers?

Those videos remind me of a late night Infomercial advertisement. I keep waiting for the guy to throw in a free Shamwow.

^^ Lol wtf? ^^

Jeff, even though this guy denies it, I think you could still be right. The dude could have done his research on what kind of age bracket members of this forum are. He could be purposely acting a little childish and making his online persona very elaborate to get us to support the videos, because he's being awfully defensive to just be some kid random. He could be using computer speak to connect with this target market, because you're right... it doesn't quite add up.. and that initial spiel was too clever and concise to be the same kid that has frequent grammatical spelling mistakes and seems to have a 13 year old mental capacity.

I don't like internet con artists one bit, and this guy fits the Bill (excuse the pun) precisely. Fishy if you ask me... very fishy.

As long as the information that he is giving out is accurate and helpful, who cares if he is advertising???

Originally Posted by Jake Kobrin

As long as the information that he is giving out is accurate and helpful, who cares if he is advertising???

Problem is, I think almost all of the information he is giving out is old news at best and unfortunatly more often than not outright misinformation.

Personally i think this guy is trying to set himself up as an expert.
With no credentials to fall back on, and by simply making up his own terminology and trying to sound "scientific", it's simply not good enough, I don't buy it.

I've been lucid dreaming all my life, and having watched (and cringed) at this guys videos, I personally find most of what he is saying to be in direct contradiction to what i've experienced.

As lucid dreamers we need to be lucid in our choices of material to work with.
A guy who appears out of nowhere, making up a whole bunch of his own acronyms, methods and terminology, and then stating them as fact (how many times does he state things as "this is called... *insert made up terminology here*" as if he is the last word on lucid dreaming.

I love lucid dreaming, it is my number one subject in life. I also love people who come along and truely add something new and great to the subject.
But this guy, I do not trust, it all comes across as a big sales pitch... not for lucid dreaming - but for himself as an "expert".

He blatantly trys to milk every concivable angle to reel people in:
references to the Matrix, OBEs etc. etc.

My inner alarm goes off when watching these videos.
If you logically work through a lot of what he says, then hold it up against your own personal experiences of Lucidity... does it still make sense? or does it just come across as someone trying to confuse people with terminology, sales pitch, and cheesy over confidence?

There are much better sources out there, Stephen Berlin for example, clearly a guy who loves the subject and wants to share FOR FREE, what he finds to improve the community and subject. Not for profit, but for the sake of sharing information.
Watch some of his videos, then compare them to Lucidology.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R3GN...x=0&playnext=1

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_lis...stephen+berlin

Berlin comes across as honest, genuine and humble.
The lucidology guy comes across like a used car salesman who is convinced he is the last word on lucid dreaming.

I care about lucid dreaming too much to accept this kind of BS.

As a community we need to stand together, and defend lucid dreaming against the merchants of BS who want to cash in and mislead.

Keyword: accurate

** my tab had been about 7 hours stale and I didn't see what spaceexplorer said. I agree 100%.

ok guys, this is really annoying now.
IM NOT NICKOLASS NEWPORT!!!

Anyone remember the Saltcube vids?

Sounds like the same guy in the video.

The saltcube vids only showed a fraction of what this guy is showing now. I guess sales werent that great.

Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

Having watched a good deal of these videos,

Am I the only one who thinks that a lot of the techniques and information is misleading and sometimes just outright hocum?

Very well presented and produced, but it comes across to me like the real focus here is to establish this random guy as an expert, then to cash in.
No harm in that, and business is business.
Just rubs me up the wrong way.

But i'm more concerned with the many things mentioned in these videos that just don't add up, make sense, or mislead.
Problem is it's all said with such confidence, that people will just lap it up.

I agree 110%, it really irks me, and I know a lot of people are watching them and it's just maknig things more confused and inaccurate. Ugh.