Thread: I don't know what happened..

Dont focus on body sensations. you try to fall asleep. so let yourself fall asleep. the trick is to stay conscious while falling asleep. some count some use a mantra some focus on breath or sounds or visualization etc.

to answer your questions directly:

- Is half an hour too long?

not necessarily but how long do you need to fall sleep regulary? in theory that time plus a little is sufficiant to wild

- Why did the feeling go away

because you focused on it.

Yeah I often focus on the feeling too and end up losing it. It's a shame, you feel these amazing sensations and you can't focus on them!

Probably the easiest thing to do is focus on your breath. It's simple and always there. Try to ward off thoughts about what will happen next or about what is happening during the WILD, as you'll end up having to restart.

Half an hour isn't that long, but I suggest you do a WBTB during the night and try to attempt WILD. I've been trying for the last couple of nights. usually quickly writing in my DJ or just being too lazy to and going right back to sleep, and paralysis came in a matter of seconds of relaxing!

Thank you very much !

Originally Posted by ParanoidLlama

Yeah I often focus on the feeling too and end up losing it. It's a shame, you feel these amazing sensations and you can't focus on them!

Probably the easiest thing to do is focus on your breath. It's simple and always there. Try to ward off thoughts about what will happen next or about what is happening during the WILD, as you'll end up having to restart.

Half an hour isn't that long, but I suggest you do a WBTB during the night and try to attempt WILD. I've been trying for the last couple of nights. usually quickly writing in my DJ or just being too lazy to and going right back to sleep, and paralysis came in a matter of seconds of relaxing!

Yes next time it will be a WBTB, thank you for replying

Just like RelaxAndDream and ParanoidLlama said, focusing on HH or the paralysis tends to eventually wake you up, and HH and/or paralysis might not even occur the next time you try to wild, or might feel totally different.

So, not matter what is the variation of WILD you do, you need to focus on something else:
in FILD you focus on your finger
in DEILD / CHILD and CANWILD you focus on the previous dreamscape you just exited
in VILD and IILD you focus on the visualization you have created or incubated (respectively)
in SSILD you focus on your sense(s)
in MILD that is performed while falling asleep you focus on your mantra
in "regular WILD" you focus on your breathing or counting or pre-dreams, or some combination of these.

The thing you focus on, along with the level of sleepiness you need to be in to do the method, are about the only difference between all the forms of WILD.

Originally Posted by Spock

Just like RelaxAndDream and ParanoidLlama said, focusing on HH or the paralysis tends to eventually wake you up, and HH and/or paralysis might not even occur the next time you try to wild, or might feel totally different.

So, not matter what is the variation of WILD you do, you need to focus on something else:
in FILD you focus on your finger
in DEILD / CHILD and CANWILD you focus on the previous dreamscape you just exited
in VILD and IILD you focus on the visualization you have created or incubated (respectively)
in SSILD you focus on your sense(s)
in MILD that is performed while falling asleep you focus on your mantra
in "regular WILD" you focus on your breathing or counting or pre-dreams, or some combination of these.

The thing you focus on, along with the level of sleepiness you need to be in to do the method, are about the only difference between all the forms of WILD.

Thank you!

Originally Posted by nordinloves

Ok so I was laying in my bed trying to WILD after I got out of school. I was laying there for half an hour and I started feeling the paralyze coming i think... But then all of a sudden it disappeared? So i got 2 questions:

- Is half an hour too long?
- Why did the feeling go away

This sounds like you were trying to WILD without any prior sleep. That is not recommended as its possible only in some rare occasions. Like when you are sleep deprived for certain amount of time or have certain medical condition that takes you straight to REM.

And unless you have a medical condition that puts you in sleep paralysis when you are not in REM, you will not notice SP. SP starts only AFTER you start dreaming. By then you are already asleep and either having a non-lucid dream, or you are WILDing and having a lucid dream. In both cases you don't notice the SP.

SP is condition our body starts to immobilize us when we are dreaming, so we don't hurt ourselves. It's when we can't move at all, no matter how hard we try. It's not when it's really hard to move because our body is so relaxed and we don't really want or care to move.

When our body is falling asleep it comes with all kinds of weird sensation. We normally don't notice them because our mind is falling asleep almost at the same time as body does. But when we WILD, our mind stays aware and we notice them.

They can be tactile, auditory, sensory or visual. We can feel, see, hear things like vibrations, body getting lighter/heavier, all kinds of tingling, relaxation sensation, falling down, sinking through bed, hearing all kinds of different sounds, seeing images or even movies. These can also happen when we are in SP because we are in REM and dreaming, but they don't happen because we are in SP. They happen because body is falling asleep. The only indicator of SP - sleep paralysis - is when we can't move no matter what.

The confusion started years ago before any good information from Lucid dreamers was available. When all "scary stuff" happening while falling asleep was thrown into one bag and labeled SP.

But now we know better as you can see in these 2 threads put together by our members with decades of experience in lucid dreaming and sleeping (haha).
http://www.dreamviews.com/wake-initi...explained.html
http://www.dreamviews.com/wake-initi...mystified.html

To all the good folks that are replying to questions on this forum - I thank you. I would like to invite you, the new generation of lucid dreamers and helpers on this forum to helps us dispel the myth of SP.

^ This. All of this. Honestly, this post should be put into a new thread and be stickied.

SP (REM Atonia) it's an involuntary action and will happen whether we notice it or not, right at the proper time when it's suppose to. It doesn't matter if we notice it or not.

It's not a LDing goal or something we need to reach in order to move forward in the WILDing attempt. In fact, trying to reach SP will hamper your WILDing, because you may never notice it, not even once in your whole life. Not even when you are WILDing or DEILDing and you in fact are in SP because you are in REM.

But if you happen to notice that you can't move no matter what, you can try some motionless RCs or just roll out of the bed or stand up with your dream body. But anyway, those are instructions for a normal WILD : P

Yeah I had a similar problem during WILD attempts last week. Although I did "fail" to have a lucid dream. I did learn a couple things not to do next time so that was a success in itself. Perhaps it just takes a lot of practice. Keep trying man.

Originally Posted by gab

This sounds like you were trying to WILD without any prior sleep. That is not recommended as its possible only in some rare occasions. Like when you are sleep deprived for certain amount of time or have certain medical condition that takes you straight to REM.

And unless you have a medical condition that puts you in sleep paralysis when you are not in REM, you will not notice SP. SP starts only AFTER you start dreaming. By then you are already asleep and either having a non-lucid dream, or you are WILDing and having a lucid dream. In both cases you don't notice the SP.

SP is condition our body starts to immobilize us when we are dreaming, so we don't hurt ourselves. It's when we can't move at all, no matter how hard we try. It's not when it's really hard to move because our body is so relaxed and we don't really want or care to move.

When our body is falling asleep it comes with all kinds of weird sensation. We normally don't notice them because our mind is falling asleep almost at the same time as body does. But when we WILD, our mind stays aware and we notice them.

They can be tactile, auditory, sensory or visual. We can feel, see, hear things like vibrations, body getting lighter/heavier, all kinds of tingling, relaxation sensation, falling down, sinking through bed, hearing all kinds of different sounds, seeing images or even movies. These can also happen when we are in SP because we are in REM and dreaming, but they don't happen because we are in SP. They happen because body is falling asleep. The only indicator of SP - sleep paralysis - is when we can't move no matter what.

The confusion started years ago before any good information from Lucid dreamers was available. When all "scary stuff" happening while falling asleep was thrown into one bag and labeled SP.

But now we know better as you can see in these 2 threads put together by our members with decades of experience in lucid dreaming and sleeping (haha).
http://www.dreamviews.com/wake-initi...explained.html
http://www.dreamviews.com/wake-initi...mystified.html

To all the good folks that are replying to questions on this forum - I thank you. I would like to invite you, the new generation of lucid dreamers and helpers on this forum to helps us dispel the myth of SP.

Thank you, and sorry for the late response

Originally Posted by gab

SP (REM Atonia) it's an involuntary action and will happen whether we notice it or not, right at the proper time when it's suppose to. It doesn't matter if we notice it or not.

It's not a LDing goal or something we need to reach in order to move forward in the WILDing attempt. In fact, trying to reach SP will hamper your WILDing, because you may never notice it, not even once in your whole life. Not even when you are WILDing or DEILDing and you in fact are in SP because you are in REM.

But if you happen to notice that you can't move no matter what, you can try some motionless RCs or just roll out of the bed or stand up with your dream body. But anyway, those are instructions for a normal WILD : P

Thanks again , i made some progress in the past few days and i got pretty close. Next time I need to start visualizing a location because all i see is black

Originally Posted by davethewarrior

Yeah I had a similar problem during WILD attempts last week. Although I did "fail" to have a lucid dream. I did learn a couple things not to do next time so that was a success in itself. Perhaps it just takes a lot of practice. Keep trying man.

Yeah the struggle is real . I made some mistakes and I learned from them. I guess ill just keep working on it.

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