practicing HH interaction for 30 days

Hiiiii everyone!

i am a dumpass in WILD and i KNOW i can't do the traditional WILD because when i want to do it, HH (hypnogagic hallucinations) swallow me in less than 3 seconds....and then i pass out in my bed like a dead fish.
hopefully i found a WILD tutorial for beginners which is based on the interaction with HH (click here for the original method)
(it was written by Looke!)

i practice DILD too but as this WILD technique doesn't interrupt my main practices, then i do it for 30 days to see how it works on me.
it would be even better if you participate here too;-)

for those who wants to know the technique, you can check out the above link or read it's summery here:

ok

1- Do WBTB

2- Do not sleep in a comfortable position or you will hibernate before you even notice when you have passed out in your soft bed...
i will sit on a chair at first as i am a deep sleeper.

3- choose a place in your mind. i choose my room. then walk through your place to another place. i will imagine that i walk from my room to my kitchen. your choice should be something that you are familiar with.

4- As you are drifting to sleep, HH will arrive....for example, you are watching a glass in your kitchen, then it will spontaneously change to a bird. you never wanted that bird but your sub-conscious mind has changed it. so just accept it and allow this flirting between you and your sub-conscious to continue.

5- these interactions will increase and maybe the whole kitchen turns into a forest for example....accept these changes and be as much as aware as you can.

6- the vividness of your imagination will increase as you approach to theta brain-wave.

7-Then you are in a LD.

really? is that so?

ok i will practice it for 30 days to see its effectiveness on me....

good luck everyone!:D

Very nice idea but your third step seems too simply put, for me at least. How have you gotten so skilled at visualization that you can imagine some, most or all of the sensory inputs involved in walking towards something and watching a specific object?
I can hardly visualize a face for more than a second so I'm actually very curious about how you approach this :)

I really like the sound of this technique! It addresses a lot of gaps in my training that I've been trying to work on. If you don't mind I would like to join you for your 30 day trial.

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Relaxation ---- Creation ---- Interaction ---- Partnership ---- Lucidity

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Originally Posted by InnerVision

Very nice idea but your third step seems too simply put, for me at least. How have you gotten so skilled at visualization that you can imagine some, most or all of the sensory inputs involved in walking towards something and watching a specific object?
I can hardly visualize a face for more than a second so I'm actually very curious about how you approach this :)

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sorry maybe i used a wrong word. by visualization, i meant imagination. these are 2 different things. visualization is f.... hard and is the ability to SEE something clearly in your mind. but imagination is the foggy and vague picture of something in our mind. for example, you can imagine the face of your mum, although the picture will not be very clear in your mind. at least you can distinguish it from face of your father. that is enough for many LD techniques or hypnosis practices as long as these imaginations have meaning to you and your mind can follow them. when you enter HH, these vague imaginations will turn to more clear pictures and finally to LD scenes.

don't be disappointed if you can't hold that imagination for more than some seconds. as Looke said in the original tutorial, even if you can hold your imagined picture for some seconds, that is far enough!

if you think your imagination is too bad then you can use some guided meditations tracks which helps you to take you to a sea shore or jungle. by practicing them for a while, your imagination skills will boost up so fast!!!

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Originally Posted by BrotherGoose

I really like the sound of this technique! It addresses a lot of gaps in my training that I've been trying to work on. If you don't mind I would like to join you for your 30 day trial.

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WOW....sure dear mate! it's even better! so let's start and have fun......;-)

Thanks for the answer, that clarifies a lot. I'm not able to WBTB every night but when I can I'll try and post the results!

day 1=
i did WBTB and then i sat on a chair and allowed myself to fall sleep. when i was close to sleep, i started imagining walking from my room to my kitchen. i tried to recall as much as details as i can. then HH started to fool me. it was so fast. suddenly i found my imagination (not a vivid scene) in a mountain and many clouds around it, spontaneously. i was a bit shocked. then i brought my attention to my home again. then again HH brought me back to that mountain. WTFFFFF...!
i felt my body was very light...as i paid attention to this feeling of lightness, it disappeared. then i fall sleep.

it was a great feeling to play with the HH. my mistake was that when my mind went to that mountain spontaneously, i shouldn't return it to my home again. i mean i should allowed it to stay in that mountain and then i had to play with HH in that environment. for example, walking in that place and looking at the clouds and so on...

Sounds like an amazing experience :D It might indeed have been better to follow your subconscious (while staying aware obviously). Also, I think that when your subconscious really tries to take over so to speak, you should go with it in an observing role (kind of like in meditation I think).

Day 1: I WBTB after about 6 hours (woke naturally about 10 minutes before my alarm). Was a little shocked that I had no recall at this point, I can usually remember a ton when I wake up naturally. Went to the washroom then back to bed, using an extra pillow to prop myself up from my usual sleeping position.

The chose to walk from where I park my car to the office I used to work at. It's about a 10 minute walk usually. Fun fact: this walk is through a crow roosting ground, so there are literally thousands of crows around. It's quite freaky in the winter when the walk is dark in the morning/evenings. I got about a minute or so into the walk before little bits of the scene started to change a bit. Went on like this for maybe another minute or 2 before the scene faded to black with kind of outlines of faces drifting through the darkness. I opened my eyes into what I thought was a FA and reached to shut off my alarm. RC. Nope, this is real life, I fell asleep.

yaya, did you fall asleep in the chair?

to InnerVision:
yes...i should allow my sub-conscious mind to direct me where she likes.
i think its like a tango dance...i mean i should also act within these scene as my sub-conscious does. i and she should not interrupt each other but to incorporate.

also i am not that expert to stay an observer of her act (like meditation). because if i only observe these HH, i will fall sleep very soon. but if i also act in these scenes and have a role inside them, then i can be aware enough (for example, if she shows me a room full of candy, then i should act and try to touch or taste those candies...but if i stay an observer of these candies, then i am sure i will fall sleep soon.)

to BrotherGoose:
congratulations... you almost did it. Looke in his original tutorial said that you will enter into LD in two ways. one way is that you will enter to 100% darkness and then you should make a scene from your own. so you could reach into the state of void and darkness and the only thing you should have done was to create a new scene.

and LOL....yes i fall sleep after some minutes of practicing on the chair...however i woke up after 30 minutes and continued my practice on the ground too. but i fall sleep too fast. so i think sitting on chair is better for me now.

I tried this before going to bed, and to my own surprise I could imagine the scenes fairly well. Then, I really wanted to give it another try at my WBTB, but somehow I just couldn't keep any focus. I run into a problem I encounter in most WILD methods as well: I'm either too sleepy to be aware or too aware to fall asleep. Still, I'm quite excited about the technique and I think I could get some neat results in the long run. I'll just keep trying!

For those who fall asleep too fast, what about staying awake a little bit longer when you are doing WBTB?

yes as Kaan said, if you sleep too fast, you should extent your WBTB or simply sit on a chair or a lay on a uncomfortable position.
if you fall sleep too late, you should wake up sooner than usual or do SSILD in a lazy manner to take you into drowsiness.
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day 2=
i sat on a chair after WBTB and started my imagination. in less than 10 seconds, HH started and i was looking at a jar! so i tried to have a role in that scene and started to touch it but it disappeared. then other scenes came and i acted in them too and this continued for 5 MINUTES!!!!! i couldn't believe it. usually after some seconds of HH, i lost my consciousness and fell sleep but this time by using this method, these HH lasted for 5 minutes! that is weird! then i felt lightness and some shiny dots appeared behind my closed eyelids with flashing of light...then suddenly i felt very uncomfortable in my left leg....it was numb and painful. so i changed my position from chair to the ground and then i fell sleep.
this time i need to change my chair so that my legs could rest.

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Originally Posted by Kaan

For those who fall asleep too fast, what about staying awake a little bit longer when you are doing WBTB?

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Originally Posted by yaya

yes as Kaan said, if you sleep too fast, you should extent your WBTB or simply sit on a chair or a lay on a uncomfortable position.
if you fall sleep too late, you should wake up sooner than usual or do SSILD in a lazy manner to take you into drowsiness.

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Thanks for the tip. I'll try lying on my back this time but I'm a little afraid that I won't fall asleep at all. It seems that if I'm in a position that I don't normally sleep in (I have always slept on either one of my sides, ever since I was 4 or something) I just don't fall asleep at all. I'll just turn off my alarm, resist the temptation of lying on my side and start the process, see how that goes.

day 3=
i was too awake when i WBTB so i couldn't sleep on chair. then i changed my position on the ground and after playing with HH for some minutes, i fell sleep.

Day 2: Went out drinking with some friends. Unsurprisingly through the combination of reduced sleep time and REM suppression due to alcohol I didn't remember anything at my WBTB or in the morning. I passed out immediately when attempting HH interaction (realistically I probably didn't even try, it's hard to say)

Day 3: Last night was very strange for me. By the end of the night I had recorded and recalled about 13 dream fragments, with no apparent connections to each other. I woke up 3 times to practice HH interaction: a natural WBTB after about 4.5 hours, my alarmed WBTB after about 6 hours, and, what turned out to be a FA somewhere in the middle.

All 3 times were pretty much the same. I decided to stay in bed and prop myself up with pillows even though prior to falling asleep I wanted to try the activity sitting on the floor (I woke up with an irritating kink in my neck so I'll have to revisit this method). The experience itself was very similar to the dreams. I would begin my walk and HH would quickly become involved. I would roll with it and incorporate it into my visualizations but it would quickly switch to something else. It was as if my unconscious couldn't make up its mind (just like my dreams in the night switching so frequently). On top of that I was struggling with the visualization/creation itself. I felt that I wasn't able to really create much detail or interact with it.

Working points: Visualization training during the day (daydreaming). I also would like to improve my understand of WBTBs. I believe that I'm not waking up enough during these (going straight to the washroom and then back to bed). I dunno who is following this thread, but could someone speak to that>?

I'll be drinking the next 2 nights, which will affect my sleep, but it's the weekend! So I'll likely get to nap well into the day and into some longer REM windows.

For the last two days I haven't been able to WBTB (my father's home and he's a really light sleeper; any alarm wakes him up at any time of the night). I tried to overcome this problem by setting a very strong intention of waking up multiple times through the night, naturally. To my own surprise, this worked quite well. I remembered three short awakenings during both nights. The first night though I was very unaware and couldn't think of visualizing or w/e. Last night it went a bit better and I was actually able to attempt a DEILD (which was not really what I wanted to do though haha). I'll keep going like this, my recall has improved significantly because of the awakenings and I had a near-lucid dream tonight (I was sliding down a waterslide, thinking how fake this felt as opposed to waking life, being disappointed by the dream quality, yet somehow I was not aware that I was aware that I was dreaming if that makes any sense).

WTF. i had a very bad insomnia last night and couldn't sleep until morning and then passed out like a dead corpse.:horse:
so i don't count it as an attempt. :D

Well, hope you have better luck tonight! I'll be able to sleep at least 11 hours so plenty of room for WBTB's.

day 4=
i could go along with HH for 3 minutes and i felt light in the middle of it. maybe i should have tried an induction technique (such as new Gleixer's WILD method) but i thought it was soon to try it and i should go more along with HH but then i fell sleep.:D
i will try to do the induction method when i feel light again and will not wait for more HH to pass.

Nice attempt! I was hoping for some success from my side as well but unfortunately things didn't go as planned. I woke up after 6 hours of sleep exactly, naturally, went to the toilet, took some vitamin-B supplement, and tried this technique. However, I fell asleep within 10 seconds from starting the imagination. 2 hours later I woke up again, remembering some quite detailed dreams but nothing about lucidity or w/e. I decided to try again but I just couldn't focus, my thoughts would take over every time after 5 seconds or something. I couldn't even get back to sleep so I just got up.

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Originally Posted by InnerVision

Nice attempt! I was hoping for some success from my side as well but unfortunately things didn't go as planned. I woke up after 6 hours of sleep exactly, naturally, went to the toilet, took some vitamin-B supplement, and tried this technique. However, I fell asleep within 10 seconds from starting the imagination. 2 hours later I woke up again, remembering some quite detailed dreams but nothing about lucidity or w/e. I decided to try again but I just couldn't focus, my thoughts would take over every time after 5 seconds or something. I couldn't even get back to sleep so I just got up.

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i wish you luck for tonight! isn't vitamin-B a little scarey? when ever i use it, i see horrible nightmares. my mother too....

day 5=
i did WBTB for 5 minutes and then i started the method. passing the HH was easier than before. they changed one after another....for example, i saw a HH for 2 seconds, then i incorporated in it and manipulated it and then it disappeared and then after 5 seconds, another HH came and so on....after nearly 4 minutes, suddenly a very vivid scene came and i was in it for some seconds and i was aware. i may call it and LD. but then it disappeared. after nearly 1 minutes, i was too drowsy and fell sleep.

number of attempting this method= 5
number of LD= 1

Well no success again. It's hard not to give this up (I haven't even gotten HH or anything like it so far) but I will keep it up. Tonight I'll be able to WBTB with alarm again. I'll stay up for 20 minutes or something so I'll be a little more aware while trying this.

About the vitamin B; It causes nightmares for me too (at least more of them than usually) but I've had tons of nightmares when I was younger so I'm pretty much used to it. I can even say that they increase my chances for lucidity since I often have the same nightmares (could act as a dreamsign) and they're much more vivid than my usual dreams. Besides, even though they might be frightening in the dream, I really like looking back at them. I can recall nightmare plots much better than normal dreams and they're often quite interesting.

thanks Innervision!
may i know how many mg of vitamin B you use everyday? or i might say, do you use it every day? will you have super vivid dreams all the time using that supplement?

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day 6=
after WBTB, i started visualizing my room then it switched to some other scenes and i did participated in them. after 2 minutes, it got 100% dark and it lasted for maybe 5 seconds. my mind got distracted and that darkness vanished. then i felt i have to roll over and unfortunately i did. i know rolling over is a big no no in WILD but...its only easy to say...

day 7=
WTF! i slept only 4 hours as i had to go to some where early in the morning...so i lost the attempt! i practiced it at night, before falling sleep but that's hard to be able to not fall sleep as we are tired in that time (before night time sleep).

i only slept for 5 hours and i stopped sleeping to re-program my sleep schedule. so i didn't attempt today and i am very tired.