Too awake to WILD?

**Deluksic** · 03-26-2013 09:06 PM

Last few nights I was trying to WILD but with no luck. I go to sleep at about 22-23 oclock, try wild from there, get some HH and fall asleep, then wake up for the alarm in 3:30 and try again.. It seems as if i am more successful when going to bed the first time (at least i get HH) than the wbtb. Yesterday for example i couldnt fall asleep the whole morning after the alarm..

**gab** · 03-26-2013 09:44 PM

I know you know this, but you need to find your "sweet spot". The best time for WBTB and how long you stay up.

It's ok to practice WILD before bed, as long as you don't expect anything spectacular. You may get HH, but if you get a dream, it will be NREM dream, which is not so good as REM dreams are as to length, quality, vividness, ...etc. Good luck

**Deluksic** · 03-26-2013 10:09 PM

So i should change the time when alatm goes off?

**gab** · 03-26-2013 11:01 PM

Just because it didn't work one time, doesn't mean, that your time was wrong. But it could. It could also mean so many different things. You definitelly have to experiment and find what works for you best. Not just timewise.

When I take a morning nap at same time as yesterday, it doesn't guarantee same results. If it did, we could easily identify circumstances that will give us LD 100% or time. But there is no such thing. We could just find what works most of the time and make the best of it.

Like your example - you couldn't fall asleep after alarm. Can you identify why?

Were you excited? - Maybe next time you wont be and you will fall asleep.
Are your family members up at that time making noise? - You probably should switch time.
Did yu wake yourself up too much? - Stay up for shorter time.

But even with ideal conditions LD is not guaranteed.

**Bubble** · 04-01-2013 03:28 AM

Part of your issue may also be that the alarm is simply too jarring and disruptive. I've had the most success not setting an alarm at all. Focus on the intention to wake between dream cycles - it's very possible to train yourself to do this since you probably do it briefly anyway and don't remember it. Writing in your Dream Journal every single day and recording all of the dreams and dream fragments you can, regardless of length, will help with this a lot because it trains you to subconsciously recognize dream transitions. Even when you are non-lucid, you will begin to anticipate the end of an REM cycle.

After a while, you ought to be able to wake up naturally after the conclusion of each REM cycle. That gives you several WILD attempts every night. By now, I know not to even bother attempting until at least the 2nd time I wake up that night. It leads to more restful sleep and less stress, if you know you'll get several chances that night in addition to possible DILDs.