Thread: The Feelings

you have to fall asleep but retain awareness

hope this helps

The sign that would let you know that you are close, would be that your thoughts starts to feel much more vivid, because they are what's going to form the dream in the end. But you don't actually have to feel anything special you can just test if you are near the non-physical focus.

Think of it like a reality check outside of the dream. Because right before you start dreaming you are focusing on both, botht the physical world and the non-physical world (dream). Sometimes you might even have succeeded without knowing it! You just lay in a dreambed and dream that you do a WILD attempt. So a good way to test this is to use non-physical tests also called Indirect techniques by the author Michael Raduga.

I call it non-physical tests to avoid confusion and to clearify what it is. A test to see if you are in the non-physical.
There are many ways, but the simple idea is that you imagine doing something as vividly as you can like imagine pinching yourself or imagine yourself seeing an object. If you for just a brief moment can "sense" what you imagined you know that you are clsoe and if you can feel it without trying to visualize anymore you know that you are in the non-physical focus. Then you should get out of your bed because it is a dreambed!

It doesn't feel ike you fall asleep, because most people would associate the term falling asleep with (losing consciousnes) and well you don't in a WILD, instead you literally see your thoughts form into your dreamreality. I have explained a little more in detail what I feel in this thread:

http://www.dreamviews.com/f79/questi...ations-136023/

(The sensations can vary, but any kind of strange sensations is an indicator that you are in the non-physical!)

If the non-physical tests doesn't work you are in NREM, the goal is to feel the non-physical sensations because they are your way into the dream.

Although here is a shocker! According to Michael Raduga almost all of our DEILD attempts are in fact a false awakening and we just dream that we go through the process, and well most of the times it would be enough to just get out instantly. However the non-physical tests is a little safer

I hope that made sense. If not please tell me

I'm in the same boat as you thataintme.

I've only had one WILD in my life and it was unintentional. I've been trying to do it again but with no success. I too would like a more detailed explanation as to each step in the WILD process

Most of my lucids have been wilds. For me I just kind of fall asleep with like I normally would and don't think about anything. I just kind of sub consciously know that I'm attempting a WILD so I sort of stay aware. Eventually I'll just feel different. I don't really know how to explain it, but I just realize I'm not awake anymore and then the vibrations/SP usually come along and I go to the dream from there.

I have been a lucid dreamer since a kid so I'll normally realize I'm dreaming while I'm asleep and then become lucid. I'll keep in mind before I go to sleep that I want to become lucid and just be aware that its possible, relax and alow your dreams to go as they please if something comes up that seems out of the "ordinary" in your dream world snap yourself out of it and say to yourself I'm dreaming I can change anything I want. Don't get frustrated remember you can and will dream the next day and try it again. hope thia helps PM me if you have any questioms on lucid dreaming

You absolutely do not need to fall asleep. I have never had the feeling of falling asleep when I have had a WILD. I realize everyone is different, especially after getting through so much of this forum, but it is 100% possible to retain consciousness going into a WILD. I retain awareness of my surroundings, have an awake thought process...everything. The lucid dreams that I've had in this manner are always exactly like real life where I can control very well what happens the same way a person can when they're awake. There is no muddled feeling whatsoever. I always went through the exact same process without variation, and I always got the exact same result when I laid down to have this particular sort of WILD experience. I could not achieve it if anything was different. I have tried different techniques with no success whatsoever. I realize that everyone needs to find what works for them, but there are a few tips I could give that have really made the difference for me. The first being that I'd lay down and put a pillow or something that kept my eyelids completely immobile over my eyes. I did that because it gave me the feeling of being able to open my eyes without actually opening them. Put the pillow over, make sure it's set up so that your lids won'd move, get comfortable and relax your muscles...and then go through the motion of opening your eyes. You will open them to complete darkness and you'll start to see the colors and shapes that you get naturally when you close your eyes...only they'll feel amplified and it will be as if you're eyes are open and you're literally looking at them. You'll get the brain trick that you're someplace else because it feels as though you've opened your eyes...in a void...in your mind...in space...whatever works for you. With the feeling of having my eyes open while I'm attempting to go over into a WILD, I never lose consciousness to the point of being aware of natural sounds in my house going on. When my dog barks it's as if she's in the other room or another place that I can no longer access...but I can still hear it and be completely aware of it as I am not asleep. It's a good way to give yourself the right place to get started. At this point I'm still having pesky thoughts that everyone gets that are so hard to block out as well. I just ignore them completely and try not to get hooked into following a thought into the next one. You get the feeling that you're floating as well, if your body is completely relaxed. When i don't have the feeling that I'm floating, I "close" my eyes and go back through my muscle relaxing technique, and then I "open" my eyes again and the floating would be there. At first I would have to go through these steps a few times to get it, and then I'd have to really keep it together to have it continue...but after a bit it would just happen and seem completely natural. Then I would concentrate on a particular object and sound and eventually I'd just sort of slip through to a WILD when the opportunity arose. I was still completely conscious enough to stop it and simply sit up if I chose also. Not asleep.

Originally Posted by Kmac321

You absolutely do not need to fall asleep. I have never had the feeling of falling asleep when I have had a WILD. I realize everyone is different, especially after getting through so much of this forum, but it is 100% possible to retain consciousness going into a WILD. I retain awareness of my surroundings, have an awake thought process...everything.

I think you misunderstand what people mean when they say you have to fall asleep in order to WILD. You have to be asleep in order to be having a dream. That's not really debatable. Falling asleep does not mean losing consciousness. Learning to WILD is all about learning that's it's possible to fall asleep without losing consciousness.

I do know what you're talking about. I've gone through the exact same thing above and literally entered a lucid dream in a sleep state. Plenty of times. When I read people's accounts of a WILD, this is what I think of. This isn't what I'm talking about. What I'm talking about is literally spinning two plates. I am completely aware of wakeful things within a lucid dream. I'm completely within it. I can also be aware of what is going on in my house, or sirens going by...or people getting home and walking around upstairs. If the TV is on, I can hear it faintly within my ludic experience. If someone were to walk into my room, I'd know it, sit up, and be completely awake. It's like everything in wakefulness is happening in another room. I don't know how better to explain it. I've been raking through these forums and have not seen any experience like what I mean here. I do know exactly what you're talking about when you refer to WILD, because I've had plenty of experiences like that also, where I would go through the above steps and be asleep but aware when I go through...without having lost the concentration in the process. I know when it's happening because when I'm asleep I get these slight twitches in my fingers and toes when I'm going through. I don't have the same amount of control in my lucidity when that happens, however...I can still fly and I can still try experiments and the like...but things don't work as well and I am aware of this in my dream and I try to listen for things in my house to get me up a notch. It never works. It's even less from a dream that goes lucid...and I know it but I can't change it. I get the same experience in a wakeful lucid experience as I do in a sleeping one...the buzzing or static and a feeling of going through...but what I'm talking about is different in that I also know what is going on as if in a wakeful state. I can hear what is going on in my house within my dream state...or smell food cooking and stop things and get up when I think dinner must be ready...I can't explain it any better than that. It's different. I am literally awake. (I have had experiences where the minute I lay down, without any of the above preparations that I would normally do, I am completely lucid. Just, zzzsshhhhoooom. There I go. When this happens I have no control to get out of it and no control in the dream. All of this being said, I haven't had a lucid dream in years. That's why I'm here. I'd very much like to get it back.) I'm sure I don't have to tell anyone here that when it's good, there is no better feeling. Maybe what I was experiencing was something different. I don't know. I don't know what else to call it other than a lucid dream. The dreams that I relate to on this forum are more so the other types of experiences I've had. Like I said, I know exactly what you're talking about when you say that of course you're obviously asleep, as I know what that feels like. This, what I'm talking about was just like that...only different and with the awareness. I definitely didn't feel asleep. Meditative state? I wouldn't know what to call it as I don't actually know a lot about these sorts of things. Again, that's why I'm here. To learn what I can to get it back. I'm talking about these things because these are my experiences...and I honestly wasn't aware that it wasn't just completely normal for a lucid dream until I started looking around here to see that most of these experiences only somewhat match my own. Where to go from here? I'm not sure, really. Does it seem like something else to anyone?