Thread: WILD attempt, rolling over?

Try just getting out of bed to get a drink/go to the bathroom etc.

Im not exactly the most qualified (0 LDs), but nearly every guide ive seen recommends getting out of bed for a small time, or else you just drop straight off to sleep again

Maybe a more experienced lucid dreamer can give a better answer

Okay, I'll use your advice

Update: I did a WBTB last night. For the first time, I decided to actually get out of bed, got a drink, waited about 5 minutes, went back to sleep.

It got me my 1st WILD effortlessly (falling asleep was hard cos i was excited)

Getting up for a little definately made a difference for me

Originally Posted by benzilla04

Okay sometimes, when I try to WILD, I'll wake up in the morning and try it, (i won't get out of bed, i'll do it straight away)

and I will lay there, il start counting to 100 to keep myself awake, i'll get to 15 or so before i end up falling asleep for a few seconds, when i wake up, i'll rollover automaticly.

it's so frustrating lol if i dont fall alseep.. il lay there and get nowhere

i can just never get to SP, i find it impossible. why is this?

Well, definetly do what kurlie said, do get up for a minute or two. But the counting i think is a no go. It's boring and i does just that-keeps you awake. The counting is a type of what is called an anchor. You may already know this but ill say it just in case. An anchor is what keeps you awake while you enter the dream. Or if your good at visualization you could do that.

Now for the SP, thats the fun part of the WILD IMO. I personally find it easiest to enter SP when i go to bed. I dont know why but try it. What i do it lay on my back and head straight up and all of that boring BS. it just breath and with every breath i let all the tension go in my arms and legs and abs. I focus on what they look like and focus on the sensations, no matter what they are, in my legs. After only 5-10 minutes, i feel a wave of energy that is quite close to the feeling in your chest when your scared shitless, ya know the adrenelin rush thing. and SP sets in after that

also kurlie how did you do it (your first WILD i mean)

Good job kurlie and thanks for the reply thataintme, i will use both of your advice. It's comments like these that motivate me to keep on trying

Originally Posted by ThAtaInTmE

also kurlie how did you do it (your first WILD i mean)

Well, Before I went to sleep, I thought about what my dream scene was going to be (all 5 senses), then I set my alarm for about 5 hours after I fell asleep. I got up for a few minutes and said affirmations as I induced SP. Next thing I know im sitting up in my bed and I do a RC. It suceeds and I fly off, summon dragons etc.

So a WBTB and a WILD

Originally Posted by benzilla04

and I will lay there, il start counting to 100 to keep myself awake, i'll get to 15 or so before i end up falling asleep for a few seconds, when i wake up, i'll rollover automaticly.

Counting can be useful, but it has to be used correctly. Here is my advice on that. Counting is a good ancor for WILD if you follow these 3 pieces of advice.
1) Count in time with your breaths, roughly. It should not be forcing you to pay attention to breathing. Just a casual pace setting device. This has a hypnotic effect. You may add a word like dream inbetween each number.
2) If you get to SP stop counting, and do the next steps of your WILD.
3) Most important!! When you doze off for a moment, or space off thee counting. start back at one! Do not attempt to "remember" your place. You do not want to engage your mind. The counting is supposed to be a little boring, but you use it as a proof that you are still aware enough to keep attempting your WILD. Just start back at one, as long as you keep counting, you can keep trying to reach SP.

One other thing. Rolling over before you reach SP at least one time, is GIVING UP. It is ok to give up, if you admit to yourself that is what you are doing. Stay on your back or in a specific position the whole time. When the overwhelming urge to roll over happens you are deciding either to stick it out or to roll over and sleep like normal.

If you add a word or two in between the numbers, like "this is a dream,, one ,,, this is a dream,,, two,,,
then you are doing a very intense DILD program at the same time as your WILD, so you may still gat a MILD out of it if you do pass out and sleep normally.

Originally Posted by sivason

3) Most important!! When you doze off for a moment, or space off thee counting. start back at one! Do not attempt to "remember" your place. You do not want to engage your mind. The counting is supposed to be a little boring, but you use it as a proof that you are still aware enough to keep attempting your WILD. Just start back at one, as long as you keep counting, you can keep trying to reach SP.

^This. When my mind wanders when counting (your mind should wander, if it doesn't you're not falling asleep) if I try to remember where I got to then it seems to take so much effort that I can't be bothered to keep counting, sometimes I forget why I was even counting in the first place!

Originally Posted by Ctharlhie

^This. When my mind wanders when counting (your mind should wander, if it doesn't you're not falling asleep) if I try to remember where I got to then it seems to take so much effort that I can't be bothered to keep counting, sometimes I forget why I was even counting in the first place!

Yep, that is why I always start over at one. I never try for even a second to remember my place.

sivason what is the pace you count - one for each breath in and out or : one for breathing in and one for breathing out ?

Originally Posted by yuvyuv

sivason what is the pace you count - one for each breath in and out or : one for breathing in and one for breathing out ?

I know your question is for sivason, but here is my opinion until he answers.

The breathing and counting should feel completely natural, nothing forced. So I would say whatever feels better to you. I have noticed, that when I start breathing and counting at the same time, it throws my breathing off and I start to breathe in unnatural pattern. So I let my breathing get stable in a nice and natural rhytm and then I experiment with adding counting the way, when my breathing pattern stays natural and easy.

Originally Posted by yuvyuv

sivason what is the pace you count - one for each breath in and out or : one for breathing in and one for breathing out ?

I will second Gab on that. Easy and natural. Let the breathing set the pace, not the counting. I experiment with how to count or if I should put words between. I have been playing with counting to 5 and then saying a very shart mantra and starting over. I would not count on the inhale and exhale. If you do the numbers become double digit very fast and you create a feeling of hurry. Inhale- one, exhale-dream, inhale-2, exhale- thank you,,, is a pattern I like. Find a natural and easy way that fits you. remeber the count is just to verify you are still aware enough. It does not need to follow the breaths exactly.
If it is done right and you get to SP you should have barely any feeling of breathing as you are trying to put the body to sleep. When you get that far, stop the count and work on visualizing.

well. For me lieing still doesnt work.i read in yoshi's guide that u can change position every 10 minutes.for me it worked.i entered sp both times tried. But the thing is that my breathing goes out of rythm and i wake up.

lukass, could you link me to that tutorial?

Originally Posted by lukass

well. For me lieing still doesnt work.i read in yoshi's guide that u can change position every 10 minutes.for me it worked.i entered sp both times tried. But the thing is that my breathing goes out of rythm and i wake up.

You can shift position if you are too uncomfortable, but should avoid it if you can. My caution is that you never move into an actaully comfortable position. If you lay in your normal sleep posistion, sure it is more comfortable, that is why you should avoid it. It becomes way to easy to fall asleep for real.

Originally Posted by sivason

You can shift position if you are too uncomfortable, but should avoid it if you can. My caution is that you never move into an actaully comfortable position. If you lay in your normal sleep posistion, sure it is more comfortable, that is why you should avoid it. It becomes way to easy to fall asleep for real.

Fail.

Originally Posted by cmind

Fail.

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