Quote Originally Posted by sivason View Post
I was never under the impression that SP in a lucid dream discussion was intended to mean the same thing as the medical term. I am sorry but we need a term to describe a state that happens during a WILD attempt. SP is used to mean a certain state, NOT the medically defined term. So, I wonder if any one is implying the state were you must use a lot of concious mental intent to move (since your body IS asleep) does not exist?
I mean the state where you are clearly asleep but can still vaguely feel bodily sensation. You feel as if moving is not going to happen unless you force the issue. I do not ever take the term SP onn this forum to mean the medical SP. What do you, or any one suggest I call that state? nREM does not fit. nREM is a huge range of sleep phases, not one specific bodily sensation. Why argue to change the whole terminology? And yes, I do need a term for this one bodily sensation, used as a marker for judging my sleep state. SP is the term already in place, and likely any suggestion will just be some thing some one makes up.
In medicine there is a drug called theobromine (related to caffine), turns out it has no bromine in it, but they did not ask the world medical community to rename it. It is just poorly named, and we accept it. I am all for a term to take the place of the state I refer to as SP, but then no one who has always used the term will know what I mean.
Most in this community aren't as discerning as you--let alone those in the medical field. Due to that (and several other factors), they lump the two terms together and assume inseparability.

Yes, NREM is an umbrella term that encompasses all sleep stages and sensations prior to REM sleep. I don't see how you can refute its applicability as appropriate terminology. What do you experience during WILD attempts? Vibrations? Hypnagogia? Spinning? Floating? Dampened senses? Buzzing?

All of those are characteristic of NREM sleep.

A sense of dread, full-body paralysis, and open-eyed hallucinations are characteristic of conscious sleep paralysis.

Numbness, tingling, a sense of discomfort, and difficulty of movement are characteristic of neither sleep paralysis or NREM. These are however characteristic of a self-induced trance state (aka self-hypnosis) brought about by relaxation, remaining still for a long time, and the belief that you are experiencing "sleep paralysis" and thus cannot move.

Which would you say better matches your experience and definition of "SP"? Which would you say best matches the experiences and definitions of the wider LDing community?

"SP" is already widely used as a non-standardized blanket term. Unfortunately, it encompasses more than it should, which sows confusion, misunderstanding, and misinformation. As a result, newbies waste hours of their lives trying to "reach SP." Is their time so worthless that you feel it unnecessary to even attempt a change in the status quo? I firmly believe everyone's time is precious and allowing newbies to throw away countless hours simply because no one was willing to take action and change the "official" curriculum is an egregious, reprehensible act.

Hence this thread.

I've done what I can. The ball's in your (inclusive) court.