Problems geting SP... Seems almost like I black out?

**Flash619** · 12-22-2011 08:42 PM

So I seem to be having problems getting any kind of SP. Either that or I'm getting it and just not realizing it which I doubt highly. It seems that when I do get comfortable and relax. After about, maybe... 20min "sometimes longer" I seem to get what I call a black out. ("It's probably not but only my mind shifting.") They usually happen without me realizing it until they are over. During it, it's like, well I stop hearing things completely, I don't really feel anything, and I can't recall any thoughts while I am in it.

I usually can tell when it happens. I'll listen to binaural beats with earplugs, and wear my industrial strength ear muffs. I'll notice the sound kicks out were I stop hearing it for about, maybe a little less than a second. Just enough for me to notice it and them, bam, I seem to pop back to the point were I can hear stuff.

Sometimes I end up getting caught up in a dream by accident when it happens, then when I come out of it, I'll accidentally move as I was in the dream. Which ruins it for the most part.

I'll include what happened last night in detail for people who love details ^_^

First off, my bedroom is dark and silent. Except for a cat in my upstairs who keeps meowing. So I wear my ear muffs and ear plugs. I tried my binaural beats again. Which usually seem to help. I then laid down. I sat there for well a good hour and a half. Within the first 15 min, I was just relaxing. Slowly counting down with each breath, and trying to let my mind wander but not too far. After that I started to visualize dream scenarios, to let my mind, get my mind, off of what I was trying to do. I do this so my body can relax naturally without my mind worrying about it.

I remember having one blackout once, and a feeling afterworlds of my head.... almost spinning xD But then I slipped into a dream state but woke up about a half hour later. Then tried it for a little longer, and once again, fell asleep for the rest of my trials that night. -_-

Oh well anything is progress. I just was interested in knowing if theres something I do wrong at all. Or what these could be. I am very interested in any input. Anything can help.

I'll probably be trying again tonight, and tomorrow night, and every night from here on out. I am very determined for this to work eventually.

Also just a side note, feel free to ask questions.

**Ctharlhie** · 12-22-2011 09:15 PM

Well, and this may surprise you, those 'black outs' are a good thing! It's a great sign that you're really close to falling asleep, and if you hold on to your awareness, after a couple of these when you snap back to awareness you may find yourself drawn into sleep paralysis or a dream

**Flash619** · 12-22-2011 10:34 PM

Thank you for your reply! Thats fantastic news!

The most of these I've been through in one night seemed to be around five or six. Because this one night I managed to have them consecutively. It was like one right after the other for about three times straight. The only problem is it seems I can never keep my awareness once in a dream. I seem to forget its a dream, and forget how I got there. I seem to think of nothing outside of it, and due to that can't be lucid while in it >_<

Oh well I guess with practice I will train my mind to know.

Tonight I'll try it again. No guarantee's, I don't always get them. But then again, I can imagine a inexperienced person like myself may struggle with simple stuff yet. xD Oh well I'll post results tomorrow morning.

**MarineRecon** · 12-23-2011 06:22 AM

What I do to remember that I'm still dreaming even after becoming lucid is that I tell myself the current date and remind myself where my physical body is. For some reason this gives me the highest quality LD I could ever possibly have if I remember to do it.

**Flash619** · 12-23-2011 04:08 PM

Thats a cool way to do it I guess. I just don't seem to remember anything once I'm in a dream... Hmnn.. Its funny, in my dreams often I do the impossible, but yet I cannot realize it's a dream xD Last night was neat. I had maybe two blackouts, and all of that fun stuff. Then I got this itch on my elbow, but I ignored it. Then I was suddenly in a random dream, then I came out of it and for no apparent reason. I honestly cannot remember why I did this. But I just stopped all together and went to bed. :/ I don't even remember why I stopped. xD

Oh well I try it again tonight. I've also been trying to remind myself when I wake up not to move, so I can try to LD that way.

**MarineRecon** · 12-23-2011 07:39 PM

That sounds like a good plan! Keep at it.

**Flash619** · 12-23-2011 07:58 PM

Yea I feel it may take a while, well I can't say it will. But it feels like it will take a while before I can actually do some of this. But I will eventually, and thats the point of all of this.

**MarineRecon** · 12-23-2011 08:00 PM

Yeah it may, but when you start to have LD regularly it will be sure to pay off.

**Flash619** · 12-23-2011 08:06 PM

Yea it will. If only I could have been one of those people who was able to do it on their first try... xD

**MarineRecon** · 12-23-2011 08:09 PM

Yeah, that would have been awesome if I could've done that too.

**Flash619** · 12-23-2011 09:42 PM

Yea. I envy people who get to have SP on their first try. Considering I have been trying this for about four months I seem to get rather frustrated with myself when I fail to reach SP and yet know someone got it on their first try. >_> I must sound selfish saying stuff like this.

They way I look at it. At least when I do finally get it, I will have a great feeling of accomplishment from spending all this time training myself to try and get it working.

**MarineRecon** · 12-24-2011 04:03 AM

No it's not selfish at all. I think that almost everybody feels that way. We all want to be able to have LDs anytime we want. Ill feel the same sense of accomplishment after I achieve my goal.

**Flash619** · 12-24-2011 04:07 AM

Well thats nice to know. Tonight I plan on attempting this again. I will hope for the best but be willing to accept another failure if need be, I can always try again tomorrow night. Not that I have already given up on tonight, after all, the SP I have had that I hadn't ever tried to cause came when I least expected it, and did nothing to cause it that was special. I just woke up into it. So who knows, maybe I'll get lucky

I'll post results tomorrow.

**MarineRecon** · 12-24-2011 04:37 AM

I too am going to try a WILD tonight. I have been trying for the past couple months with little success.

I wish you luck!

**Mzzkc** · 12-24-2011 01:52 PM

Question:

Do you want to experience SP or do you want to WILD?

**Flash619** · 12-24-2011 04:13 PM

I would like to experience them both. Experiencing SP, finally, I think would help me better understand it. So If I would better understand SP then it may help lead to making WILD more easier. Although I doubt it will make anything easier, it still would be nice to finally experience it.

Everyone says you experience SP when attempting a WILD. I however never, have ever, experienced SP in the whole 4 months of my trials on it. -_- Don't get my wrong, I do believe I will eventually get it, but its frustrating when I try so many times, and get nowhere. I just try to ignore the frustration though, and make it go away.

As for last night, I first went to bed at 1am. I think I may have been too tired. I couldn't really relax all that well. I laid there for a half hour, then I figured I wasn't able to relax for whatever reason, and told myself I would try again tonight.

Also a side question. Is there anything to look for as any kind of sign in this whole thing? Like your heart rate changing or anything like that?

**MarineRecon** · 12-24-2011 09:12 PM

Not everyone experiences SP when they WILD. Take me for exsample, I don't feel anything when I WILD. That makes it a little tricky for me because I don't know when to RC.

**Flash619** · 12-24-2011 09:35 PM

What I hate is when I'll move how I would in a dream at random and it breaks my concentration, or causes me to move something after I had already moved.

**MarineRecon** · 12-24-2011 10:59 PM

Yeah it's hard to stay focused sometimes.

**Mzzkc** · 12-25-2011 12:34 AM

Originally Posted by Flash619

Everyone says you experience SP when attempting a WILD.

I don't, and neither do most experienced WILDers.

Originally Posted by Flash619

Also a side question. Is there anything to look for as any kind of sign in this whole thing? Like your heart rate changing or anything like that?

I wrote up a reference guide on the subject recently.

**Flash619** · 12-25-2011 12:51 AM

I know it's just it seems most how-to's on the subject talk about vibrations, so for those who don't feel any, I guess it can become rather confusing.

I love that reference guide!!!

**Mzzkc** · 12-25-2011 12:54 AM

Originally Posted by Flash619

I know it's just it seems most how-to's on the subject talk about vibrations, so for those who don't feel any, I guess it can become rather confusing.

That's misinformation for ya. ^.^

**Flash619** · 12-25-2011 04:59 AM

So then what would someone expect?

**MarineRecon** · 12-25-2011 06:37 AM

I don't get any physical sensations but I sure get some visualization as soon as SP kicks in.

**Flash619** · 12-25-2011 04:48 PM

I usually watch my thoughts develop on their own, then they start making pictures like a dream, and usually I get caught up in it and fall asleep that way -_- Once again forgetting the fact that its a dream. Last night though I was in space