Thread: need help with sleep paralysis

sorry dild

You can also look up DEILD - it's a shortened WILD.

HOW DO YOU ENTER SLEEP PARALYSIS i can't seem to enter it when i'm trying to WILD

ARE YOU ACTUALLY STAYING STILL ? that would probably help , as you've said nothing at all about your situation i cant really offer any help lol .

Do you swallow when trying it ? do you move at all ?

First of all, don't stress too much about it. Seen many experienced lucid dreamers that report having troubles with WILD. Everyone can have lucid dreams, but not all techniques are the best for everyone

Now, be a bit more specific. Are you having troubles falling asleep or falling asleep faster than you can focus on your intent?

Sorry abut not providing information about my situation okay so on a normal WILD day i go to bed around 10:00 and wake up around 4 am

i actually get up for about 5 minutes then get back in my bed
i lay on my back and relax once i'm relaxed i try not to move my body but for all of you that get the occasional itch or scratch you know what i mean
but thats all no sp therfore no wild can you help me out here

Keep your questions contained in one thread since they're all about the same thing.

i appreciat what you did but next time could you not move my thread thanks

10pm-4am is 6 hours, so you should be waking up nicely between sleep cycles. I haven't heard anyone mention this, but I think it makes a lot of sense: Try waking up at 3:30am instead of 4. If you wake up at 4, you should be waking up right after your last REM period, whereas if you wake up half an hour earlier you should wake up about at the beginning of REM. If you're only getting up for 5 minutes, that shouldn't disrupt your sleep cycle too much, so hopefully you should pick up where you left off and be ready to go straight into REM sleep.

Note that I've never really had much success with WILD, so you should probably take my advice with a grain of salt, but I think it's worth a try (I have read a fair amount about WILD and know most of the theory, and I've reached SP many times, I've just only made it to the dream a couple of times). What happens when you try to WILD? Do you not feel anything at all? Do you lie awake for hours, or fall asleep too soon?

Make sure to WBTB(wake back to bed) first before WILDing. Also, it's very important that you're in position where you are most comfortable with.The main thing here is to trick your body to sleep while retaining mental consciousness. So try your best to "emulate" a normal sleeping routine so that your body will think "hey, it's bed time again, time for me to sleep" or something like that. Hope this helps

P.S.
There's another variant of WILD called DEILD, it's much easier and faster than WILD if done correctly.

thanks i will try waking up at 3:30 tonight

Make sure to WBTB before WILDing

i will thanks i've been doing the finget through palm and noseplug reality check

Originally Posted by surrealdreams

thanks i will try waking up at 3:30 tonight i will thanks i've been doing the finget through palm and noseplug reality check

This isn't your fault, but I hate when self-proclaimed lucid dreaming "experts" confuse people by making them do stuff like this. Reality checks have nothing to do with WILD, they won't help you WILD, and it's questionable if they even help with DILD. The point of WBTB (wake back to bed) in the context of WILDing is to shake off some of the grogginess and give yourself a chance to set your intention. It doesn't matter what you do when you get out of bed, only that you're awake and active. But take note, WBTB is only necessary if you fall back asleep too easily. If you're having trouble falling back asleep, WBTB will not help you. If anything, it can hurt your chances.

My advice for you is to do DEILD instead. It's more suited to people like you (and me) that have trouble getting back to sleep.

EDIT: I know many people will disagree with me about WBTB, but this is common sense. If you find yourself being too awake, it won't help being even more awake.

Everyone has given great contributions.

Remember ...
WBTB( Wake Back To Bed )

Be comfortable
Try not to move
Focus

Originally Posted by TheDreamless

Everyone has given great contributions.

Remember ...
WBTB( Wake Back To Bed )

Be comfortable
Try not to move
Focus

...this is kind of bad advice. From the OP, it looks like WBTB won't help as he has trouble getting back to sleep. It's also incorrect to tell him to "not move", as that will prevent him from getting to sleep. And "focus" is also bad advice, as WILD requires passive awareness, not focus.

Originally Posted by cmind

...this is kind of bad advice. From the OP, it looks like WBTB won't help as he has trouble getting back to sleep. It's also incorrect to tell him to "not move", as that will prevent him from getting to sleep. And "focus" is also bad advice, as WILD requires passive awareness, not focus.

As far as I can tell, the OP did not state that he had trouble falling asleep. In fact, the OP really doesn't give much information at all. You shouldn't assume that his trouble is not being able to fall asleep. With the information we have so far (namely that the OP is doing WBTB and isn't reaching SP), it's just as likely that he is falling asleep too quickly (and thus is not conscious for paralysis's onset) as not being able to fall asleep. I would be a little more careful before stating that other people's advice is not good. Remember that different techniques work for different people. It can't hurt to try a variety of things.

For the record, WBTB does not necessarily imply that you actually get out of bed and stay up for awhile. Some people may choose to stay up for longer so that they'll fall asleep more slowly, but WBTB can also mean waking up for a few seconds (just long enough to remember to WILD) and then immediately going back to sleep without actually getting out of bed. For WILD, some sort of WBTB is essentially necessary, as you need to be conscious to WILD and it's very hard to reach SP at the beginning of the night.

Practicing reality checks can never hurt. They're not needed to WILD, but they can be helpful for maintaining lucidity during the dream after WILDing. Also, if you try to WILD but fall asleep on accident, you may still DILD if you're used to RCing because you fell asleep with the intention of having a lucid dream (a thought which, if you're lucky, will carry over into your dream and cause you to RC).

Originally Posted by Hidden

As far as I can tell, the OP did not state that he had trouble falling asleep. In fact, the OP really doesn't give much information at all.

See - THIS is the problem with continuously starting new threads about the same subject rather than continuing the conversation in one thread. It makes it impossible for anybody to understand what's already been said on the subject. It's like wiping the slate clean every time, and makes it difficult or impossible for anyone to give helpful advice. And then just saying "look at my other threads" is asking too much of the readers. I'm trying to get the OP to understand this. This is like his 6th thread, all of which should have been part of 1 thread. In fact, I might collect them all together - it would really make things easier to understand.

Originally Posted by Darkmatters

See - THIS is the problem with continuously starting new threads about the same subject rather than continuing the conversation in one thread. It makes it impossible for anybody to understand what's already been said on the subject. It's like wiping the slate clean every time, and makes it difficult or impossible for anyone to give helpful advice. And then just saying "look at my other threads" is asking too much of the readers. I'm trying to get the OP to understand this. This is like his 6th thread, all of which should have been part of 1 thread. In fact, I might collect them all together - it would really make things easier to understand.

Er... yes. Please do. Now that I know there's another thread on the same subject I was able to find out that he has trouble falling asleep, but otherwise I never would have known. That other thread literally restated the question in this one, only with slightly more information. I'm not about to go hunting around the whole forum trying to figure out what exactly this guy's problem is so that I can try to help, especially when I ask follow-up questions only to find out that the information's in another, essentially identical thread.

Ok, I've combined most of them together here now. I was surprised to find there were more like 20 threads, all asking the same thing!!

surrealdreams, people have a hard time helping when they can't see what answers have already been given. Please, from now on, keep your sleep paralysis related questions on this thread! It also makes it easier for you to find the answers all in one place rather than scattered all over the board.

Wow, this thread just... wow. Exploded. Thanks Darkmatters, at least it's all in one place now. I guess I should read through the whole thing... Or I could just assume the question's been answered until he asks follow-up questions. I think I'll go with that.

What became clear to me is that surrealdreams is obsessed with sleep paralysis and seems to be impatient about it.

@ surrealdreams - if you've read all the tutorials on it, and read all the answers you've already received in these threads, then I'd say it's mainly a matter of trying the techniques, and trying to achieve the patient, accepting frame of mind that's conducive to lucid dreaming Impatience and angriness will spoil it every time, and somehow from your posting/threadmaking habits I get the impression that you're approaching this angrily and impatiently.

If you're a naturally impatient person then you'd pretty well need to overcome that before you can really expect to make much headway in lucid dreaming. You might want to try some meditation or something to try to achieve a more open and accepting frame of mind.

oh okay thanks

I find that when I feel my body alternating between heavy and light, if I just focus on that feeling more than anything else, I enter SP really easily. Also, I sleep on my side, because on my back I'm scared of hallucinations XD ..not that I won't have them on my side, but it *feels* less scary it's all in my head. Just my two-cents worth