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Ok first, the DILD. I've been keeping a dream journal and doing reality checks for weeks, and nothing.
Second, the WILD. I've been trying this for months about twice a day, but I get no results. I don't have any time anymore. I'm not allowed to take naps and I don't have time to do a WBTB.
If you have any other way to LD I'd like to know. Thanks.
You have the rest of your life to dream, and you're quitting after a couple of weeks?
Take a break, if you need to. Keep practicing your awareness through your day and trying auto-suggestion when you go to sleep. When you wake up, take 30 seconds before getting out of bed each morning, and try to remember what you dreamed.
Just keep doing this, until you're ready to back in the flow of training.
Just RC every now and again, only takes a couple seconds. You'll have a Lucid eventually, and when you do your motivation to have another will soar, trust me.
if you dont have time try deild,
you can set a verry short alarm for early in the morning and try stay still and stay aware while going back into a dream.
and if it fails you will be able to go back to sleep easily. so you lose nothing.
What I can suggest to you is. Don't try to get a lucid dream, let the lucidity come to you.
Just make a routine of pracctising and when your own pressure of getting a lucid dream is gone, then you will have one. But because you possess the secret knowledge of that lucid dreams are possible =) Then it would almost be good for you to stop, because then you wouldn't worry and suddenly you will just get a lucid dream. But don't stop just don't try too hard.
And trust yourself and not the techniques! For example a WILD technique it sais you should do that and that...
But when you are doing it yourself, try to just see their advice as guidelines!
Because you will probably experience something different, and when you do, learn from that instead of being locked in the views of the tutorial writer.
So you can learn what works for you.
Try ADA or SAT instead of frequently doing mindless RC, I can tell you from personal experience that SAT and overall awareness helped me way more than when I was doing 50 RC a day, and a couple weeks/months is nothing for you to quit, like oneironaut said, your gonna be dremaing for the rest of your life and now you choose to quit, if thats really what you want, none of us can stop you until you see what you may be missing. Anyway I'm not here to command you to keep trying or anything, but if you are just getting frustrated with techniques not working, you need to be more patient with them, and like Choi said, don't follow all the guides you see step by step if thats not working, because everyone is the same technique with a few twists will work better for one person than another.
This is a joke.
It took me 2 whole years (started in 2009, I was 13) to get ahold of lucid dreaming and I'm still not a master. I will tell you it takes time but it is worth it. More worth it than you can imagine. I can't even begin to tell you the things I have done in lucid dreams that I could only dream about in real life. (Pun intended)
Just trust me, if you give up nothing will get better. You cannot give up. After two years of practice I can tell you I have some of the most fun moments in my life while I sleep and its all thanks to lucid dreaming.
I know how you feel about getting discouraged. I've always been interested in dreams in general though, so I keep a dream journal regardless. I did the techniques for a while and didn't see great results, but I think what helped me the most was just thinking about lucid dreaming, and coming to this site and discussing it. I really don't do any of the reality checks or ADA during the day anymore unless I happen to think about it, but LDs have been coming to me here and there out of nowhere. And I do try to WILD often, especially when I wake up too early or take a nap.
Basically what I'm saying is if you're frustrated, take a break from "working" at it, but don't give up and in my opinion never stop keeping a dream journal. I love going back and reading my whacky dreams from years ago. I've been playing around with this LD stuff for about 3 years, before I ever came here so don't give up. It took me about a year to have my first one and it was totally worth it.
Trying too hard is ironically sometimes the reason for failing in itself, lucid dreaming for most people is a skill. Like anything you can't just pick it up and be fluent in the skill straight off you need to practise, this takes patience and unfortunately for lucid dreaming a lot of patience sometimes.
The up side to this is it won't affect your daily life since you do it in your sleep, and that also allocates probably the most efficient and convenient time slot to do it.
Try different techniques and look into other peoples research on e.g. foods, try to get excited to lucid dreaming like when you first head of it, not being frustrated because you might be missing out on what other people could be doing.
Also remember that everyone goes through dry spells, right now i'm going through one, my recall is horrible but i'm still writing down everything i can remember. Eventually your recall rate and lucid rate will spike back up again.
Remember this is a hobby, not a chore, not a job. :) Enjoy the experience of it.
Even if your dream was non lucid just remember you were experiencing something which couldn't physically happen in the real world such as flying or whatever happened. :)
also GOOD LUCK! :D don't give up lucid dreamers need a bigger community.
Who told you that trying the same fail techniques twice a day for months would work? Take some time off, allow your subconscious to mull it over and you'll eventually realize what you're doing wrong. My guess is that you're not letting yourself fall asleep.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brent1938
Also, dream journals are great, but forget about DILD as a means to get into a lucid dream. It rarely works and it's extremely unreliable. People who say they get regular lucids from DILD are either lying or more likely, are confusing partial lucidity for full lucidity. Some people think that if a dream is vivid and easy to recall, that means they can call it "lucid". But if you want true lucidity, you gotta start awake, which means WILD (or DEILD).
If you are getting frustrated, just ease up a bit. You can't force it. It takes time, practice, and patience. Every night is a new opportunity. There is plenty of time.
You're mistaking things. Lucid dreaming isn't like being an einsteins. Skill isn't the key. Time is.
Lucid dreaming in the end, is all about changing your mental schemes. This is actually very hard and takes very strong will to do, because you're convincing yourself of a reality whose rules you denied your entire life. That you can exist inside a dream, that you can fly, that you can find odd things, that you can pay attention to minimal details.
You should remember in these times, that there is no possible way (I believe) that you don't have a lucid if you keep the wish of having a lucid dream in your mind. If not, just by residual memory (thinking on the same thing all day, all days) it will happen.
Change things a bit. Try to hold to the thought "Am I dreaming?" the whole day. Try to always having that in the back of your mind. Don't let yourself be distracted for more than a minute or two. Keep yourself lucid. Sometimes someone calls us and we loose that thought. Don't. Get used to wonder if you're dreaming when you're interacting. Many people has a hard time at DILD because they only practice in "dead moments". You need to be able to automatically stop anything and wonder if you are dreaming. You need to stuck in your head that even while you are reading this, you might be dreaming.
Yes, stop reading right now. Look at your hands. How you got to this page? How you know that you are not dreaming and that reality check just failed?
Also, other thing that not many people do, it strengthen their mood. Try to listen to an heroic music before going bed. Imagine yourself kicking ass at getting lucid. You are the man. Feel yourself feeling good for it. Now you gonna go to bed, and think "jeez, I can't wait to get lucid, I own, I will get it tonight". Feel excited, feel like it's tonight. If the next day, if you failed to get lucid, think "so I didn't get lucid? Lol brain you better get used to the fact that I'm gonna practice all year". Trust me, this helped me more than any technique lol. Also, this is the reason why many people have lucid dreams in their first night or two. They are overhelmed with the excitment. They can't wait to have one.
Really, hear "Eye of the tiger" kind of songs. Don't think you're falling at it, think "lol, I failed 50 times to get my lucid, and then bang! I'm that great example on how you should never quit!" Good luck ;)
Speak for yourself, and don't assume others are lying or ignorant just because their experiences differ from yours. For me, DILDs are one of the easiest and most frequent ways I achieve lucidity. Also, I do NOT need to start awake to have "true" lucidity, as you call it. Not sure why you are making such assertions.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmind
To the OP, you've already received lots of great advice in this thread, I have nothing more to add.
When my friend introduced me to lucid dreaming, I had that same mentality. I told my mind that I want adventure and demanded it. Didn't have a lucid but that first dream of mine was pretty epic. Fighting against warriors and moving at the speed of light. Totally agree with this. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by zoth00