People who say every dream is lucid are either lying or severely misunderstand the meaning of lucidity.Quote:
Originally Posted by areyoume
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People who say every dream is lucid are either lying or severely misunderstand the meaning of lucidity.Quote:
Originally Posted by areyoume
and why is that,why would they lie,and i assure you,they do know the meaning of lucidity
It's possible they are so focused on their lucid dreams that they're unable to remember the non lucids they also have.Quote:
Originally Posted by areyoume
I don't know what weird reasons people would have to lie, but I do know that every dream becoming a DILD is impossible. But like I said, some people clearly do mistake vividness or strong recall for lucidity. I think those people are the ones claiming every dream is lucid.Quote:
Originally Posted by areyoume
oh god,why would a person get into the trouble of writing tow entire DJ,and all of that DJ is a lie,and i already told you,they know what a lucid dream is,they've written guides and such,some of them are a forum creator who started lucid dreaming since 1997
I don't think you understand what they are sayingQuote:
Originally Posted by areyoume
You totally missed what I was talking about. I'm not saying DILDs aren't real...go back and reread what I said. I'm saying that every single dream being lucid is clearly impossible and people who claim that are stupid/lying.Quote:
Originally Posted by areyoume
why is it impossible,give me one logical reasonQuote:
Originally Posted by cmind
The burden of proof is on you.Quote:
Originally Posted by areyoume
WILD is the one I would choose because you need to be aware of yourself as you WILD and usually that awareness comes over to my normal dreams after a WILD attempt so I increase my chance of having a DILD as well. So it's very hard for me to decide because doing the procedure of WILD increase my dreaming awareness to DILD, but if I only focus on DILDing and fall asleep I am not as aware as if I had done a WILD.
So WILD is the best because it gives me a DILD. xD
Ps. I understand what cmin means. I have had dreams where I was dreaming I was lucid that I today would call a non-lucid dream but that I 3 years ago would call a lucid dream. Lucid is a too vague term to use for something like awareness which is why I use Reece Jones "Layers of Lucidity" in my DJ to make it more clear for my readers how aware I actually was. It should actually be called "Layers of Awareness" or "Levels of awareness" because that's what it is.
What I would define as a fully aware dream today is Layer 4 (Major) Full control. Unity. All dream characters aware. Stable and vivid.
And I haven't experienced a single dream like that but only Layer 4 (Minor) You are in full control of the dream but the Dream Characters are not aware that it is a dream.
But lucid simply means that you know you are dreaming so it's a bad term to use to describe awareness. Which is what I think cmin is trying to say.
I think you're making it too complicated. All I'm saying is that it's impossible for a person to be lucid (to know that he/she is dreaming) in all 5-7 dreams per night, every night. It's absurd that anyone could believe this. Even experienced lucid dreamers don't even remember half the dreams they have, let alone become lucid.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterMind
Well cmind I don't think there are people who are lucid in every REM period either, first of all it's super hard to define and know/ remember which one that is every REM period unless you wake up after each one.
But I have woke up after many REM periods, for example once I had one lucid dream and then I woke up and looked at my clock and saw that it was the first REM period.
But I think I have to disagree with you with the remembering part, because if you are aware enough it's easier to remember so if you become very aware in a dream your dream recall doesn't need to be topnotch. Imagine that non-aware dreaming is like being really drunk and that lucid dreaming is like being sober, then you see the awareness and memory ability clearer.
However dream recall is important to learn to become that aware but not essential for being aware.
I am a 4 years experienced dreamer + my childhood and what I recalll in my Dream Journal is either a lucid dream or just one full REM period which on paper looks like 5 dreams. So I see what you mean now I first thouhgt you were arguing the possibility of lucidity at all, because that's what I used to talk with one of my friends about. So I agree with you, if it's even possible to be lucid in all the dreams through the night one would have to write a 200+ paged book to retell it all. The only one I have seen do that is Lewis Caroll (Charles Lutwidge Dogson) author of Alice in Wonderland <---- That was a joke. ^-^Quote:
Originally Posted by cmind
I think you're exactly right. What we experience as several smaller dreams is probably all just from the last 1 or 2 REM periods before waking. I highly doubt anyone can remember (on a regular basis) the very first dream of a night. And there's also physiological reasons why this would be very difficult.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterMind
I think both are equally reliable, however Wild variants usually lead to clearer dreams and you can decide when to do them. In the end it doesn't matter when you lucid dream if whatever method you use gets you the results.