Thread: Need help transitioning into a LD from SP

First off, Welcome to DreamViews! I am digging the avatar, btw .

I believe you definitely lost consciousness in the first example you gave. You are so damn close its crazy . Once you get into SP, just continue to relax and basically act as if nothing unusual is happening. Like you said, you basically just have to learn to "go with it" while keeping consciousness at the same time. What I do is casually watch any visual hallucinations that get. If you don't have a lot of visuals, just observe the darkness and allow your entire body just to let loose and lay as relaxed as humanly possible. Let the SP wash over you and do whatever it wants. When SP starts, your body is first starting to fall asleep. In order to transition, you have to finish falling asleep. If you are keeping your mind overly active, you won't be able to fall asleep. Basically, you tip toe the line between consciousness and unconsciousness during the transition. It may sound/be a little difficult at first, but once you get used to it....its not hard at all. My advice is to just keep practicing and try to just ride the tide of SP. Allow it to do the work for you and "carry" you into the dream. Just casually observe the hallucinations and never forget what you are trying to accomplish. Hope this helped out a bit. Good luck to you and if you have any further questions, don't hesitate to ask!

Haha, thanks, im loving your avatar too

So yeah that sounds like a good idea, from what you said seems to be finding that fine line of conscious/unconscious and letting my brain do the rest. For me at least, seems the more I try to induce a LD the more it inhibits it. Makes sense, yeah I'll try this tonight, my attempts last night failed.. No DILDs, and the WBTB I just fell asleep, stayed up for like 2 minutes lol. Tonight I'll be more vigilant, and stay up for at least 15 minutes. Then its childs play slipping into SP, as relaxed as possible, and ride it out and see what happens.

Hmm, I remember reading a thread with you in it and you said naps were a good time to WILD, typically.. how long are these 'naps' you take.. like, 2 hours? I rarely ever nap so I really don't know, but i'd like to get better at slipping into sleep paralysis at will and sleeping faster, so if I could practice this during naps it would be the shit.

Aye aye cap'n thanks for the help, I'll post back letting you know how it goes.

Awesome! Definitely let me know how it goes .

As for the naps, yeah they usually last no more than a couple hours. Most of the time they are more like one hour or one and a half hours. Btw, good luck to you!

Well, it's been a long time, I'm nearly there.. I've tried WBTB's nearly every day since my last post, and I'm so very very near. On one day I did a DEILD, where I came out of a dream, and knew it, so I just relaxed, stayed still, SP hitting me, and I lost consciousness. Then later I'm in a blurry dream, and I manage to change the landscape and gain lucidity but lost it soon after. THe problem there was that when I was transitioning into the dream I lost consciousness and then i don't know how many minutes later I foudn myself in a dream. Semi-success, although the lucid was like 30 seconds long.

Today, I had a bit more success. So after a WBTB I tried to transition into SP but fell asleep, good thing is though the attempt isn't over there, after the dream ended I was aware that I exited it, stayed still, and sure enough seconds later SP wooooshed over me, stuck with it, wasn't too bad at all, saw fleeting images and felt intense vibrations and ringing. So I'm here again, and I try to visualize a dream to slip into, me walking down a street, try to imagine all the senses and stuff, engage my dream body, this may have worked on some level, but I failed to be concretely implanted in it, I just gave up after a while and let the SP do its thing. Couple moments later, I see a dream scene just appear infront of me, didn't attempt to visualize it, I saw a road crossing, when I saw that I got all excited, it wasn't in my whole field of vision, just a square of it in the middle. I tried to make it bigger and to hop into the dream but it failed pretty hard, I just fell asleep and went on to have a semi-lucid DILD. I am very very VERY close.

I find it quite irresistible to attempt to create a dream scene or take control of the transition when in SP, but next time I'll just dip my feet into the unknown, hopefully it'll go smoothly into a successful WILD. Now I know what I have to do, in due time man this WILD will happen. ;D

Very nice detailed descriptions . You are definitely extremely close to successfully transitioning. Congrats on your brief moments of lucidity, btw. Not all lucid dreams will last for significant amounts of time, but you can learn from even the very short ones. If you get a dream scene like you described again, just simple observe it. Don't try to force yourself into, but by casually watching/observing this scene, you will soon become engulfed within it and inside of your dream. Great job so far and just keep practicing !

This thread is very useful, really detailed insightful posts, MrMarley. It's fascinating to read about the experiences of someone who has got further than you.

What are your opinions on DEILD vs WILD, KingYoshi? I tend to wake up during the night and am aware of it very often; in fact sometimes I'll think I'm having a sleepless night because I'm aware of lying in bed and changing lying positions, but actually I'm slipping in and out of consciousness without knowing it as I'm going through sleep cycles.
Do you think a simple MILD of 'I will know when I have woken from a dream' will help in a DEILD attempt?

Thanks alot dudes . Hopefully this thread will help other people too (yes, you lurkers)

Ctharlhie, That happens alot to me too, I'll nearly always be aware when I exit a dream, at least twice in the night so it's a great opportunity to slip into a dream aware. I'm going to try again tonight, within a couple of days I'll have done it, I CAN TASTE IT!!!@

Originally Posted by Ctharlhie

This thread is very useful, really detailed insightful posts, MrMarley. It's fascinating to read about the experiences of someone who has got further than you.

What are your opinions on DEILD vs WILD, KingYoshi? I tend to wake up during the night and am aware of it very often; in fact sometimes I'll think I'm having a sleepless night because I'm aware of lying in bed and changing lying positions, but actually I'm slipping in and out of consciousness without knowing it as I'm going through sleep cycles.
Do you think a simple MILD of 'I will know when I have woken from a dream' will help in a DEILD attempt?

Yeah, MILD can be paired with many different techniques. It could definitely help out and I suggest you give it a shot. I might would try, "I will realize when I am waking up from a dream."

DEILD is an extremely easy technique and process, but the window of opportunity for a successful DEILD is pretty slim. You need to realize you are waking up from a dream either just before you wake up, or as you are waking from the dream. Now, it is very possible to wake up and then perform a DEILD with success, but this is really hard to achieve in my experience. If you are able to catch yourself waking up, don't move and keep your eyes closed. Stay relaxed during this time and you will feel yourself wake up and almost immediately slip right back into sleep. Sometimes there is SP, but for me it happens so fast that I barely feel anything besides the waking up and falling right back into the dream state.

If you ever have a lucid dream and you feel it ending, its very easy to just chain right back into a lucid with DEILD. Just keep in mind that the more you chain the easier it will be to forget the earlier dreams. If I have a nice longer and enjoyable lucid, I won't DEILD. I'll try to hang on to the dream, but if I start to wake up, I just allow myself to do so. Now, for some of those short lucid experiences or if I am at a very interesting part of my dream, I'll definitely DEILD.

Originally Posted by MrMarley

Thanks alot dudes . Hopefully this thread will help other people too (yes, you lurkers)

Ctharlhie, That happens alot to me too, I'll nearly always be aware when I exit a dream, at least twice in the night so it's a great opportunity to slip into a dream aware. I'm going to try again tonight, within a couple of days I'll have done it, I CAN TASTE IT!!!@

Yeah, I've got a feeling you are just about ready to nail it. Just keep practicing and good luck to you!

Well, people! I'VE DONE IT!!! . Successful WILD number 1, although the experience to get there sucked serious ass. K wall of text.

So, I'm in bed, reaching for the annoying alarm signalling it's time to WBTB. I stay awake for a bit then try to fall asleep while being aware. It took me a while, especially because someone else in the room is snoring really loud. But after an hour, I start to get the borderline SP phase, where the 'plunge' can be taken or not, it's like, the vibration or compression will come and then go, like its teasing you, like you're trying to jump up to catch a moving pendulum, thats the perfect description. So this plunge was really painful, I remember not going into SP some days before because my bladder area was being compressed reaaally uncomfortably. This was the same thing, but i decided I'll do it anyway, I plunged, and normally in SP I get very loud wave-like ringing noises in my ears and intense wave-like vibrations which are actually very calming and peaceful, I ride it out very much like a wave, fascinating in that state, body asleep, mind experiencing this. This time, no, nothing like that. Felt as if I was being wrenched out of my bed (body?) by something by my feet, I had no ringing sounds and no intense vibrations just really heavy compression at my pelvis area, and I was really .. frightful because I remember groaning out, like 'aaah, nooo' and remember thinking I don't care if my sister hears. At this point I remembered, how do I break SP when I want to? How do I stop night terrors? Relax, remember how good life is, what life is, so I'm relaxed, calm and serene and I remember tilting my head to look out of my window (hallucinations obv.) and seeing the sun shining in on my face.. lol thinking about it now, it was so spiritually amazing, light always gotch'yo back. I said 'ah! blinding sun' then thought and said '..no, not blinding' was completely chilled now, at peace.

So apparently I 'broke' the SP here, suddenly I jumped out of bed and woke my sister up saying, 'Wake up, something scary happened' As I woke up and got out of my bed, I was moving in slow motion for a while and everything was very.. colourful and THICK. Like being ridiculously high but with extra colour injected everywhere. Nearly cartoon-like. I noticed here, 'Oh shit, im dreaming, it worked' but soon after lost lucidity, I think I wanted to lose lucidity, i wasn't comfortable to be in a lucid after that scary shit, I told myself that the scary experience fucked with my perception and that it would go after an hour.

After this short-lived lucid-ish dream I slipped out and entered SP again, I wasn't about to enter another dream, I wanted to end it. But it was still scary, same type of SP, and this time I heard auditory 'hallucinations', people saying 'quick, open him up' and murmuring, all the time I was trying to break the SP with force, which never works in my experience lol... Sure enough though I was led to break it, imagined looking over my bed and seeing a newspaper that said 'harder you try, easier for them to take you over' didn't know what that meant, so kept struggling. After a while I clocked it, and then relaxed, then I woke up.

All in all... I will definitely not be doing WILD intentionally, lol. Some nights I find myself in SP but the good kind lol, so in those times I'll decide to WILD. I've had experiences before where I've found myself in SP and it definitely WASN'T good lol, but those times I've known to relax and overcome it, here it was like biting off more than I could chew for a bit. When my mindsets right and I'm confident and relaxed I might try WILDing normally, but those scary SP's really do suck.

Thanks for all the help Yoshi, the transition here was most strange, but I guess I was just VERY immersed in the SP the dream was all the time forming. Thanks alot .

Ah, no problem at all. Congrats on your success and I'm glad I could help out a bit. Those scary ones can be pretty tough to get through sometimes. Like you said though, if you can get in the right mindset before attempting, you will be fine. You have to keep in mind that a lot of times the initial scared feeling is actually a hallucination itself. If you can recognize that early in the process and brush it off, you will be good to go for the rest of the experience. Well, good luck to you in all of your future lucid endeavors. If you ever need anything else, don't hesitate to hit me up !

Hey, thanks man, yeah definitely I'll try WILDing again when I feel comfortable, its just about me relaxing and realising it's cool, if I'm fearful then the hallucinations will be exactly that, scary. If I'm relaxed then the hallucinations are the complete opposite... lol that rings very true for me. It's an amazing technique.

I've always attempted this in afternoon naps, and I've got close but not gone all the way. But tonight I'm gonna try it in the early morning and see how it goes.

Originally Posted by Ctharlhie

I've always attempted this in afternoon naps, and I've got close but not gone all the way. But tonight I'm gonna try it in the early morning and see how it goes.

Yeah man go for it, this works beautifully in a WBTB, go all the way and I think it's about fully immersing yourself in the SP. Really feeling it. And not thinking too much along the lines of, "I'm getting close!" Good luck in your attempt and goodnight, may you lucid dream tonight brother!

Your descriptions of your WILD attempts are amazing. You nailed the sensations perfectly. I think this is a really important point:

So I'm here again, and I try to visualize a dream to slip into, me walking down a street, try to imagine all the senses and stuff, engage my dream body, this may have worked on some level, but I failed to be concretely implanted in it, I just gave up after a while and let the SP do its thing. Couple moments later, I see a dream scene just appear infront of me, didn't attempt to visualize it, I saw a road crossing, when I saw that I got all excited, it wasn't in my whole field of vision, just a square of it in the middle. I tried to make it bigger and to hop into the dream

This happens a lot. The way you are trying to enter the dream rarely ends up being the way you actually succeed. The visualization is just a tool in itself. It helps draw your attention away from your normal center of self awareness. It opens the door so your dreaming mind can slip in and take over. At least it does for me

If you find it too frightening, try during an afternoon nap. The daylight and the extra feeling of security knowing other people are around can help you feel safer.

I set my alarm for 5 this morning rather than do a more WBTB thing, I waited around 5 minutes then lay down, relaxed, and started counting my breaths. I got to 300, and felt pretty close, then I hallucinated that my right ear against the pillow was bleeding, panicked and had to check it

Tried again, and I felt my whole body vibrating, my vision started flashing white. Then I stopped concentrating because I assumed the transition would just happen lol. The feeling passed.

Oh well, I'm making progress with each attempt

Originally Posted by Ctharlhie

I set my alarm for 5 this morning rather than do a more WBTB thing, I waited around 5 minutes then lay down, relaxed, and started counting my breaths. I got to 300, and felt pretty close, then I hallucinated that my right ear against the pillow was bleeding, panicked and had to check it

Tried again, and I felt my whole body vibrating, my vision started flashing white. Then I stopped concentrating because I assumed the transition would just happen lol. The feeling passed.

Oh well, I'm making progress with each attempt

Wow, you're really getting there, yeah remember to hug that SP tight and don't let go, then you'll hopefully slip into a dream.

Originally Posted by Robot_Butler

Your descriptions of your WILD attempts are amazing. You nailed the sensations perfectly. I think this is a really important point:



This happens a lot. The way you are trying to enter the dream rarely ends up being the way you actually succeed. The visualization is just a tool in itself. It helps draw your attention away from your normal center of self awareness. It opens the door so your dreaming mind can slip in and take over. At least it does for me

If you find it too frightening, try during an afternoon nap. The daylight and the extra feeling of security knowing other people are around can help you feel safer.

Lol visualizing hasn't really helped me yet, I think it's just about using it in a way that is effective for me, but that's fine tuning, and that comes later haha. As for the frights, nah I just have to get over it I suppose, great feeling when you overcome these scary hallucinations, and anyway, half of my SP's are very spiritual and relaxing, so thats good I guess. I'll try to get it to 100% good stuff, I wonder if anyone's ever experienced that, just all 'good' hallucinations, and if you can have nothing scary. It's possible... if no one's done it I'll do it lol.

Originally Posted by MrMarley

Wow, you're really getting there, yeah remember to hug that SP tight and don't let go, then you'll hopefully slip into a dream.

It gives me confidence for you to say that , I kind of feel like I'm in a rut with WILDs at the moment, and exam stress is preventing any DILDs.

It was a really strange experience, the only way I can express it is that it was like a 'blinding' flash followed by a sensation of having my mind pulled out through my eyes (not as uncomfortable as it sounds, thankfully) At the same time I began to get very blurry tree-like imagery across my vision and muttering in my right ear.

Originally Posted by Ctharlhie

It gives me confidence for you to say that , I kind of feel like I'm in a rut with WILDs at the moment, and exam stress is preventing any DILDs.

It was a really strange experience, the only way I can express it is that it was like a 'blinding' flash followed by a sensation of having my mind pulled out through my eyes (not as uncomfortable as it sounds, thankfully) At the same time I began to get very blurry tree-like imagery across my vision and muttering in my right ear.

Yeah man I've got exams coming up next week, and doing last minute revision isn't very fun.. maybe I'll be able to reinforce the information I've absorbed in a lucid dream, lol.. If I have one I'll revise in it. That sensation's really weird, i've felt spinning and stuff and feelings of like billions of neurons firing signals all at once down my spine, lol your hallucinations are very strange. Are they at all 'pleasant' for you? or straight up scary?

Originally Posted by MrMarley

Yeah man I've got exams coming up next week, and doing last minute revision isn't very fun.. maybe I'll be able to reinforce the information I've absorbed in a lucid dream, lol.. If I have one I'll revise in it. That sensation's really weird, i've felt spinning and stuff and feelings of like billions of neurons firing signals all at once down my spine, lol your hallucinations are very strange. Are they at all 'pleasant' for you? or straight up scary?

Well I've already had experience of sleep paralysis at it's most terrifying as a kid, and that was when I had no clue what the hell it was so. I don't let the prospect of HH bother me now and even when I fall asleep naturally I'm usually aware for at least some of the hypnagogic stuff. My hallucinations when I WILD tend to be fine and I mostly ignore them, they seem take the form of nonsensical chattering voices that are always on the edge of hearing and music.

I have the same problem you had but I'm not exited at all and actually get bored. I'm mostly WILDing becasue whenever I get lucid my dream ends no matter what I do. So I'm just DEILDing to take advantage of it XD
But my problem is that, although I'm in SP, I don't halucinate other than what I normally halucinate (strangely enough whenever I go to sleep normally I have very light halucinations) and only on very rare occasions have they been stronger. Last night, for instance, I realized it was a dream, tried to stabalize, but then decided it was better to DEILD. I got into SP fairly quickly but then sat there for an hour. I know I didn't lose conciousness as I heard the faint noises of my brother waking up early during most of it. No halucinations whatsoever. After a while I gave up and went to bed. The problem may also be that my eyes keep opening and moving, but either way I've only done it once out of luck.

Originally Posted by MrMarley

I'll try to get it to 100% good stuff, I wonder if anyone's ever experienced that, just all 'good' hallucinations, and if you can have nothing scary. It's possible... if no one's done it I'll do it lol.

Oh yeah. I have had WILD attempts that were all pleasant hallucinations many, many times. You just have to get into the right mindset when you go into SP. Also, I have yet to have a scary experience when I have WILDed during the day.

Originally Posted by Betropper

I have the same problem you had but I'm not exited at all and actually get bored. I'm mostly WILDing becasue whenever I get lucid my dream ends no matter what I do. So I'm just DEILDing to take advantage of it XD
But my problem is that, although I'm in SP, I don't halucinate other than what I normally halucinate (strangely enough whenever I go to sleep normally I have very light halucinations) and only on very rare occasions have they been stronger. Last night, for instance, I realized it was a dream, tried to stabalize, but then decided it was better to DEILD. I got into SP fairly quickly but then sat there for an hour. I know I didn't lose conciousness as I heard the faint noises of my brother waking up early during most of it. No halucinations whatsoever. After a while I gave up and went to bed. The problem may also be that my eyes keep opening and moving, but either way I've only done it once out of luck.

Make sure you aren't expecting the dream to end as soon as you become lucid. That can make it end right there. That goes for thinking about the dream ending or worry about waking up. Just try to expect the dream to last and don't worry/think about waking up.

Originally Posted by KingYoshi

Oh yeah. I have had WILD attempts that were all pleasant hallucinations many, many times. You just have to get into the right mindset when you go into SP. Also, I have yet to have a scary experience when I have WILDed during the day.

Yeah, definitely about the right mindset. I'll try it tonight again, see how it goes.

I think I need to accept that in my case it's probably going to be a matter of trial and error, and I'll get it right at some point >_<

How about I trade my benign hallucinations with your WILDing ability?

Lol, if you mean my WILDing ability.. what WILDing ability? Took me trial and error also, even before I joined the forums or heard about the WILD technique I was able to notice on some level when I was about to fall asleep, and found myself in SP halfway into the night. It's about figuring out what works for you.

Last night I think I found a really good technique for me to fall asleep and also to slip into SP a lot easier. I simply focused on my breathing, but just realise your breathing, imagine the air particles going up your nose and then back out, feel the air going in and out, not your body's functions. Once I did that, within a minute I had sensations of falling, and also something I've also noticed that I think indicates I'm falling asleep, my eyelids, there comes a point where they feel like they're open, but closed, on the brink of the two, and one eye will feel 'heavier' than the other. Anyway last night I sort of felt the black i saw when I closed my eyes, enlarge to the point where I was in a vast nothingness, maybe that's what some people described as staring at your eyelids? Not sure, anyway I was very close to SP, started to get vibrations but then something made me rouse. Fine tuning here on out yessir

EDIT: Lol after reading it back, maybe I do have some natural 'ability' I guess.