I have been trying WILDS and WBTB for maybe 3 weeks now and I dont think I have made very much progress. I have some questions: Do some people not get the roll over siginal? Does the roll over siginal only work if you are doing your WILDs perfectly? It seems like of all the things I have read this is the first sign that you are getting close to SP. Even though I have tried many different ways of doing this I always face similar results to the people who say they try and stay alert for a while then they can fall asleep or they fail and drift into sleep too soon. Are there any factors that can make you unable to get a WILD even if you are doing the right things such as sleep position? Finally are there any extreem ways of trying to do a wild such as sleep deprivation or lying still focused all night? Even if you dont have the answers thanks for reading my post, I appreciate the help.