marijuana and dreaming

[buckly]

does anyone have an explanation why if i go to bed stoned, i seem to not dream? im sorry if the question sounds stupid but i really have noticed that when i smoke 2 or 3 hours before i go to bed i seem to not dream. any thoughts would be appreciated.

[ExoByte]

Marijuana is a depressant, and it suppresses REM sleep. As it stands, REM sleep is the phases where the most vivid, memorable and just plain 'the most' dreaming occurs.

[bro]

Yeah, ExoByte explained it well. If there's less REM sleep, it follows that there'd be less dreaming...though an idea would be to..get stoned earlier in the night and hope for a REM rebound...after such a lack of dreaming, perhaps towards morning you'd notice much more vivid dreams...Hmm...that in combination with sleep deprivation, pulling an all nighter and smoking this little happy weed before bed could give some killer dreams..though I don't suggest that stuff Yes I do. Sorry for getting off topic but yes, on the whole, MJ will lessen dreaming.

[kogatojr]

Marijuana is a depressant, and it suppresses REM sleep. As it stands, REM sleep is the phases where the most vivid, memorable and just plain 'the most' dreaming occurs. WRONG It's a hullucinogen. THC affect people differnt, a user used to it acts as a depressent, but it's actualy a hullucinogen.

[ExoByte]

It still exhibits a number of qualities, one of them being depressant. Whether it falls into the Hallucinogenic category or not is irrelevant because even if it exhibits hallucinogenic qualities, it also exhibits depressant qualities which is what is important in this discussion. What cannot be denied no matter what category it falls into is that it suppresses REM sleep. This is a tested and studied fact. So if you want to be politically correct fine, but it changes nothing.

[kogatojr]

It still exhibits a number of qualities, one of them being depressant. Whether it falls into the Hallucinogenic category or not is irrelevant because even if it exhibits hallucinogenic qualities, it also exhibits depressant qualities which is what is important in this discussion. What cannot be denied no matter what category it falls into is that it suppresses REM sleep. This is a tested and studied fact. So if you want to be politically correct fine, but it changes nothing. It's chill dude, I was just being an ass for ass's reason. Sorry I didn't mean to affend. For me it's far to hallucinogenic to sleep with. I find myself walking in a dream as soon as my eye close. It's too intence, and never real enough for me to want to explore. I never could get to sleep wile "high" however, as soon as it wears off it knocks me out (well used to, now I just get up and do shit so I don't get tierd). And I wake up the next morning remembering nothing of sleep. I think it, atleast for me, supresses to much to remember anything vivid. I remember a few dreams over the years (when I slept after it). Vivid colors but nothing more, no interactions with people, no landscapes. Just colors.

[grasshoppa]

Marijuana isn't really a depressent. When you first smoke, it takes a while for you to get to your peak high. Usually about 15-30 mins depending on the amount and the method, and during this time your usually not tired or sleepy. Once the weed starts to wear off you start to feel something called 'burn out' where you get really tired and sleepy. Most likely due to accelerated heart rate for an extended amount of time. As for suppressing REM sleep, I'm not so sure again. THC affects your short term memory, so its probable that you are having dreams and just cant remember. Sometimes I can get high and still remember dreams, but that just comes with tolerance.

[Jimmehboi]

WRONG It's a hullucinogen. THC affect people differnt, a user used to it acts as a depressent, but it's actualy a hullucinogen. Actually, cannabis falls under a number of various classifications- coming from what you said, this is understandable, in some ways it can even act as a stimulant.

[Lunica]

I get lucids when stoned. Is it just me?

[LucidFreedoM]

I guarantee no one in this forum has ever hallucinated from smoking just weed... If you have ever hallucinated from smoking weed then that weed was most definately laced with something. Closed eye visuals are NOT hallucinations.

[niteMARE]

I get lucids when stoned. Is it just me? I find that if its mids then I just pass the fuck out but if it's some kush or dank then I have some amazing dreams and I can remember them very clearly. I am not much of a lucid dreamer yet and am just starting to break through but I feel I am very close!

[Gianluca]

WRONG It's a hullucinogen. THC affect people differnt, a user used to it acts as a depressent, but it's actualy a hullucinogen. im pretty sure its not a hallucinogen--but a psychoactive protein although it could be classified in the same group--just a really weak version as theres very little to no hallucinations when ur baked---it simply disturbs your sleep cycle especially during REM which is the cycle where your dreams are most vivid...as well as 'burn out' probably occurs right in the middle of sleep causing memory loss so in the end you could be having vivid dreams...just to fucked to remmeber the next morning

[blacksun]

ive heard that weed depravation can cause u to dream better so lucidity is always a winner

[Supernova]

WRONG It's a hullucinogen. THC affect people differnt, a user used to it acts as a depressent, but it's actualy a hullucinogen. It exhibits properties of an intoxicant, stimulant (heart rate), depressant, and psychadelic. I've had those moments too, at least on one occasion when I recall a somewhat mild auditory hallucination, but you've gotta smoke a lot of strong bud to get those effects at all. Some strains as well won't do it at all.

[grasshoppa]

Marijuana is a depressant, and it suppresses REM sleep. As it stands, REM sleep is the phases where the most vivid, memorable and just plain 'the most' dreaming occurs. Marijuana is not a depressant, although there are side effects that could be attributed to this after the initial effects have worn off. After you come down from your high you are usually tired, my guess is that this is from excessive thinking, and eating food.

[gurney_morandise]

Having been apprehended for possession and forced to take a class, I can tell you what the "official" classification of marijuana is. It is, in fact, a hallucinogen. Now you might say that you don't see things while high. . . but can you tell me you've never heard things? I certainly get all manner of audio hallucinations/distortions while high - matter of fact, this is one of my favorite effects of the drug. That said, the hallucinogens are the most vastly heterogeneous "variety" of drugs - its sort of a category into which all drugs that can't be classified as the other three types of psychoactive drugs are thrown, so the fact that they're all labeled as the same type is misleading as to their actual similarity to one another. The main thing that applies to pretty much all hallucinogens is the presence of some affect on seratonin - again, this is probably a generalization and not true in all cases, but as somebody mentioned above, marijuana can have a slight affect on seratonin levels, and one would imagine that extremely high doses would have proportionately higher effects on seratonin. I'm not a big fan of this classification system myself - its too broad and doesn't leave any room for the nuance of reality. As for marijuana and dreaming, this almost certainly differs from one individual to the next. However, being part of a circle of stoner friends seems to confirm that weed, in most people, will reduce the amount you dream. When I smoke I smoke heavily, several times a day, and I also almost never dream during that time. I just recently stopped smoking after a long, long period of heavy smoking and my dreams have been TOO vivid and real. It seems that every moment I'm not awake I'm dreaming. I often have strings of false awakenings - I'll think I just woke up, then I'll wake up again, then I'll wake up for real. My dreams also seem to have a much more negative tone - cemetaries have been popping up a lot lately, and there seems to be a running theme of people using some means to paralyze me with pain. In one somebody dug their fingers into my side so forcefully that I couldn't move from the extreme pain, and couldn't cry out for them to stop. Earlier today I dreamed that somebody applied some kind of freezing spray to the back of my neck/spine repeatedly, paralyzing me - again, I could not move or speak to resist. All this in stark opposition to periods when I'm smoking, in which I'll be lucky to remember a single dream over the period of two weeks. And the ones I do remember are completely neutral and insignificant. For instance, I'll dream that I'm walking down a hallway for ten minutes. . . that will be a whole dream.

[Tweek]

Marijuana is a depressant, and it suppresses REM sleep. As it stands, REM sleep is the phases where the most vivid, memorable and just plain 'the most' dreaming occurs. If you knew anything about weed you would know there's sativa and indica. Cannabis Sativa is a stimulant and indica is a depressant. It just effects short term memory therefor you probably forget your dreams somewhere in the transition of waking up. go learn something about it. http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...14414651731007 http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis.shtml

[panjia starchild]

Cannabis lowers your natural frequency,awareness in general is affected and your stuck in a "Willow to Wisp" state of mind.your level of conciousness determines the strengh of your dreams and the ability to remember them. The brain is a network of different energy currents that run through the atom particles in your brain,conciousness levels are determined by how fast the nuerons and electrons are spinning round the nucleus of each atom,this is what causes atoms to vibrate(stay with me here).when your at your natural frequency(which most of us aren't)the particles are a much better conductor for the brains energy currents than when your not. Basically the higher the frenquency the more awake you are and the more awake you are in the day the more likely you are to achieve conciousness whilst dreaming.

[4four2twenty0]

If you knew anything about weed you would know there's sativa and indica. Cannabis Sativa is a stimulant and indica is a depressant. It just effects short term memory therefor you probably forget your dreams somewhere in the transition of waking up. go learn something about it. http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...14414651731007 http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis.shtml Well said but you can't forget the hybrids...

[Patmandoo]

Oh man that's bad news for me. I guess I'll quit. LDing is more important than smoking (or anything else at this point) to me.

[ChrissyMaria]

Oh man that's bad news for me. I guess I'll quit. LDing is more important than smoking (or anything else at this point) to me. Really though, theres no reason to quit altogether, just quit smoking in the evening, you can still enjoy a nice smoke during the day! I personally will NEVER quit, I can't see myself not being a smoker, its really not addiction more then just a thing i like to do, like play videogames, I can't see myself stopping playing videogames... I do however recomend you don't smoke at night, I do anyways but I have been slacking off on LDing so IDC much really, but if you want dreams, just smoke during the day, thats all

[lucid4sho]

For more information check out this recent thread: http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=60165

[punkstar]

i dont know why all you dreamers are so UN-open minded when it comes to this stuff... it seems that you guys only think one way about drugs and your mind cant change..... weed (along with pretty much errthing else) effects people differently. putting a name on what kind of drug it is tells you absolutely NOTHING. trust me. i mean it does tell you some facts, but the effects it causes varies greatly. having A LOT of experience with marijuana, i think the only affect it will have on a habitual smoker (trying to lucid dream) is your concentration. it does cause your mind to wander quite easily, and if you gain lucidity in your dream while your still stoned, it is more likely that you will forget your lucidity and ur LD will drift into being a regular dream. however, if you arent used to smokin da herb, dream recall might be reduced simply because ur body isnt used to comming down off of the high. your body will just kinda... knock out and ull sleep and forget about dreaming in general. lol

[Archem]

I agree, being a smoker myself, but there are still chemical characteristics of THC which would inhibit proper concentration. I'm not saying that you, as a smoker can't overcome that, but I just think that the chemical aspects of THC, that have been proven to inhibit short-term memory, might be something LDers might want to stay away from, especially if they are looking for something that will help INDUCE LDs.

[Croneus]

Basically I've found if I want to have better dream recall don't smoke within about 7 hours of going to bed.