Nicotine & Sleep

[TrackerYoga]

So I've been working with lucid dreaming only for a month so far but have found something interesting other newbees might be interested in. I was talking to my friend who recently quite smoking and she said that while she was using "The Patch", in other words the Nictotine patch step 1 21mg Stop smoking aid, she found that she was having consistent lucid dreaming. So being the curious guy I am I decided to try it and found some Really interesting results. I Too began to have more lucid dreams. Or to be more specific the patch has helped me to be more aware in my dreams, not necessarily Lucid. See I understand that Nicotine has the effect to keep one's heart rate a little more up, and so that's what I started to think may be happening. Since the nicotine through the patch, is given to u consistently throughout the night I believe that although it is not enough to keep me up it may be the reason why I am more "up" in my dreams. Now don't get me wrong, I HATE CRUTCHES. But i'm willing to use one if I can't walk at all to teach me to walk, so to speak. So first and formost I would like to say that the only True way of having consistent Lucid Dreams is to keep a dream journle and really stick to remembering your dreams, as many as you can, everynight (but don't be to hard on yourself) and to do Reality Checks consistently during the day and etc. This way once you kind of get use to being aware in your dream and developing your own path to actually recognizing this may be a dream and doing R.C.s to prove it you'll be able to do it without the patch, well at least I'm 99% sure, haven't gotten that far yet. So just thought some people who are in a place where they try and try and just can't seem to be in their dreams enough at night to recognize they might need to do a Reality Check might want to try this. I would also like to Sternly Stress that I've had at least 2 Lucid dreams in the last few weeks WITHOUT the patch doing the methods descibed on this and all the other web sites (M.I.L.D., not yet W.I.L.D. but hoping) as well as Dream Yoga (may seem hypocritical but I'm do lucid dreaming for spiritual reasons.) Also that addiction REALLY is cruddy (to put it very mildly). But just wanted to put that out there.

[Euthanatos]

Nicotine patches DEFINATELY boost your dreams. LD....possibly too. I know I have extremely intense dreams if I wear a patch overnight. However if you don't smoke....use the lighter patches. You don't want to get addicted to nicotine. Funny thing about nicotine is that it is actually a hallucinogen (So are NDE's btw). Native Americans used to use a highly potent Tobacco variety that could induce hallucinations. If you roll a loose cigarette and pump tobacco smoke over it (like a mechanical smoker through a setup of tubes, holders, seals, and a pump) it will acumulate a nicotine rich resin. Let it dry and smoke it if you're brave. Don't do too much. Nicotine hits pretty fast when you smoke it, when you get those hallucinations, stop. You can OD on nicotine and have a heart attack (Hence the NDE reference...) Or you could just get a patch and LD...

[magical mike]

I am a smoker as well (Yeah I am 16 ) but uhh I smoke camel wides.. (more smoke I Geuss) can this be done with camel wides? without unrolling it? Also I find if I smoke half a cig, then put it back for latter.. when i smoke the half it fells alot stronger. why is that?

[ZotC]

Resin, son, resin Well, not quite... but same concept, I do believe. The tarry goodness of the first half, including some extra nicotine, condenses out of the smoke of the first half and hangs out in the last half (look at the nasty brown paper on your clipped cigarettes and you'll see what I mean), so you're smoking tobacco that's had a nicotine bath...

[Euthanatos]

Resin, son, resin Well, not quite... but same concept, I do believe. The tarry goodness of the first half, including some extra nicotine, condenses out of the smoke of the first half and hangs out in the last half (look at the nasty brown paper on your clipped cigarettes and you'll see what I mean), so you're smoking tobacco that's had a nicotine bath... LOL I guess being a pothead I assumed the process of resination was obvious. I guess it just goes to show that despite blatant statements and warnings of death...teenagers will do just about anything to get high these days.

[magical mike]

ohh ok! I see.. but it has to sit and dry right? it wont work if you keep smokeing it.. obviously?

[TruthHunter]

The problem with Cigarettes is they are really "crack nicotine"! The nicotine has been freebased slightly to enhance quick absorption. Smokers tend to have sleep difficulties because the nicotine wears off long before the night is over. The smoker wakes up early and doesn't remember dreams better because acetylcholine is lowered toward the end of the night. Smokers tend to have more vivid dreams when they quit smoking. The reason patches induce LD's is that the nicotine is released slowly. They are relatively expensive and require a prescription in many places. If you could compress tobacco into a tight pill that would dissolve slowly, you could possibly make a cheap substitute for the patch. The slow release wouldn't upset the digestive system like eating tobacco would. If you want to try chemical enhancers for LD's, I wouldn't start with nicotine. Try nonaddictive substances first. The risk of addiction is real enough and there are several vitamin combinations that are effective. TruthHunter

[Mad Stratter]

The problem with Cigarettes is they are really "crack nicotine"! The nicotine has been freebased slightly to enhance quick absorption. Methinks you're talking out of your buttocks. The nicotine in a cigarette is partially "free base" because that's how it naturally occurs in the tobacco plant... Phillip Morris isn't cooking up nicotine salt into nicotine base The reason patches induce LD's is that the nicotine is released slowly. They are relatively expensive and require a prescription in many places. If you could compress tobacco into a tight pill that would dissolve slowly, you could possibly make a cheap substitute for the patch. The slow release wouldn't upset the digestive system like eating tobacco would. a) Many insurances covers smoking cessation, including the patch. Also, in New York state, anyone can get the patch for free from the NYS Smokers Quitline. b) Please, by all means, be the first to test this "tobacco pill" idea for us. Because once again... If you want to try chemical enhancers for LD's, I wouldn't start with nicotine. Try nonaddictive substances first. The risk of addiction is real enough and there are several vitamin combinations that are effective. Right... anyone who picks up a nicotine habit just to dream is, well... a moron. Just ask any smoker, we'll readily admit it: it's a filthy, dirty, damn-near impossible-to-kick habit, and we're all in love/hate with it, for better or for worse... "for worse" much more so than "for better".

[Euthanatos]

If you want to try chemical enhancers for LD's, I wouldn't start with nicotine. Try nonaddictive substances first. The risk of addiction is real... Couldn't have said it myself. I've done coke and not been addicted. I've smoked meth, become addicted (2 months...not as bad as some have it) then quite. I've smoked marijuana for five years, quit for seven months, smoke for a year and then quit recently all with very little difficulty (All for personal reasons). I have been smoking cigarettes for almost 8 years now and can't go more than several hours without becoming extremely manic and irritable. Traits I have trained myself rigidly through NLP, rationalization, meditation and martial discipline....disapear in a few hours without nicotine. It is the most addictive drug I have ever encountered. Methinks you're talking out of your buttocks. The nicotine in a cigarette is partially "free base" because that's how it naturally occurs in the tobacco plant... Phillip Morris isn't cooking up nicotine salt into nicotine base Quite the contrary. http://www.newscientist.com/article/...es-widely.html a) Many insurances covers smoking cessation, including the patch. Also, in New York state, anyone can get the patch for free from the NYS Smokers Quitline. b) Please, by all means, be the first to test this "tobacco pill" idea for us. Because once again... I think he more than hinted at the difficulty of producing it via homemade chemistry. While I personally have enough chemistry experience to do this including Alkaloid extractions from plants, pharmacuetical extractions (DXM) and conversion, etc. and I know making a time-release pill isn't too difficult though determining a consitant time-scale for release of that garage engineered product is still extremely difficult, I wouldn't recommend trying this nor would I do it myself. If I could quit smoking cigarettes I would never touch another form of nictotine with religious zeal. Right... anyone who picks up a nicotine habit just to dream is, well... a moron. Just ask any smoker, we'll readily admit it: it's a filthy, dirty, damn-near impossible-to-kick habit, and we're all in love/hate with it, for better or for worse... "for worse" much more so than "for better". We agree here.