Thread: marijuana and dreaming

Originally Posted by Lunica

I get lucids when stoned. Is it just me?

I find that if its mids then I just pass the fuck out but if it's some kush or dank then I have some amazing dreams and I can remember them very clearly.

I am not much of a lucid dreamer yet and am just starting to break through but I feel I am very close!

Originally Posted by lucid4sho

You got to be kidding me about the diphenhydramine. I used to take 4x the recommended dose for a runny nose, it makes me a little sleepy and thats it. If you are tripping off a few benadryl then you are either unbelievably sensitive to drugs or something is seriously out of whack with you. No matter how much a normal person takes they would reach unbearable side effects/sleep/or death long before they started tripping in a way even slightly comparable to a tropane trip.

Maybe you should do some research before trying to back up claims like that... look up diphenhydramine or dimenhydrinate on erowid. In high doses, they both provide trips very much similar to a datura or other nightshade trip.

Back on the topic of weed, I usually don't remember any dreams if I've smoked within like 7 or 8 hours of going to sleep. I can smoke in the morning and at lunch and still remember my dreams that night.

Like Bill Hicks said.. You are just to stoned to bother, as you know it is not worth the effort. :p

Originally Posted by blahaha

Maybe you should do some research before trying to back up claims like that... look up diphenhydramine or dimenhydrinate on erowid. In high doses, they both provide trips very much similar to a datura or other nightshade trip.

I know diphenhydramine can cause hallucinations similar to datura to a point, but relatively you will get more sedation and side effects with the diphenhydramine, so its very difficult to get nearly as intense of hallucinations without ending up passed out or in the emergency room. I know this from experience, I've experimented with high doses of diphenhydramine, even combined with dimenhydrinate, I did experience very vivid hallucinations, but I never could reach an experience comparable to datura because the side effects and/or sedation were just too great.

i have not read a post but the op's.

the first time i got stoned, i got really fucking baked.
i had a dream where i was high in the dream.

but after that, i havent had any dreams when i go to sleep high.

Originally Posted by eeeeee!

i have not read a post but the op's.

the first time i got stoned, i got really fucking baked.
i had a dream where i was high in the dream.

but after that, i havent had any dreams when i go to sleep high.

tolerance...possibly....

you smoke kush?

or mids?

I recently read that if you go to bed stoned you almost never dream. (No I'm not a stoner) I think I read it from someones description comparing sleeping after smoking weed to sleeping after getting high off of gatorade or aragono. I don't remember it was crazy. Yes apparently there is a way to get high off gatorade. But anyway the guy said he had really absurd dreams after whatever it was he had. Maybe salvia? Anyway don't do them.

it is not a Hullucinogen
its a psychoactive herb

Originally Posted by acillis

it is not a Hullucinogen
its a psychoactive herb

Salvinorin-A is primarily categorized as a hallucinogen, though some claim its more dissociative, more research is required to know how it acts on the brain before we can say. The odd thing is just like THC, salvinorin-A is not an alkaloid.

Originally Posted by Rusty Shackleford

Weed isn't an hallucinogen lol. Unless it is laced with PCP or something then it will not cause you to hallucinate. It impairs your vision causing blurriness and distorting your perspective of objects.. Vision impairment and hallucinating a 2 totally different things.

Hallucinating is seeing things that aren't really there... as to where vision impairment is your perspective has just become distorted. seeing colored dots would fall under vision impairment. You can stare at a tv screen for a minute then blink your eyes and see colored dots and shit like that. lol




Everybody who thinks they can hallucinate of weed either doesn't know the difference between hallucinating and vision impairment or was smoking weed laced with something else.

Okay, just to set the record straight:
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis.shtml

Originally Posted by Erowid

EFFECTS CLASSIFICATION
Intoxicant; Stimulant; Psychedelic; Depressant

Weed can't be classified into just one group. It has different effects and affects everyone differently.
Nobody has to be a jerk about the facts.

Some of the known effects:

Originally Posted by Erowid

POSITIVE

* mood lift, euphoria
* laughter
* relaxation, stress reduction
* creative, philosophical or deep thinking : ideas flow more easily
* increased appreciation of music. More aware of, deeper connection to music.
* increased awareness of senses. (eating, drinking, smell)
* change in experience of muscle fatigue. Pleasant body feel. Increase in body/mind connection.
* pain relief (headaches, cramps)
* reduced nausea, increased appetite (used medically for this)
* boring tasks or entertainment can become more interesting or funny

NEUTRAL

* general change in consciousness (as with many psychoactives)
* increased appetite, snacky-ness
* slowness (slow driving, talking)
* change in vision such as sharpened colors or lights
* closed-eye visuals (somewhat uncommon)
* tiredness, sleepiness, lethargy
* stimulation, inability to sleep (less common)
* blood shot eyes (more common with certain varieties of cannabis and inexperienced users)
* mouth dryness, sticky-mouth (varies with strain)
* interrupts linear memory. Difficulty following a train of thought.
* cheek, jaw, facial tension / numbness (less commonly reported)
* racing thoughts (especially at high doses)
* increased emotional impact of music
* Time sense altered: cars seem like they are moving too fast, time dilation and compression are common at higher doses

I just came across this thread(and forum) via google, so sorry for bumping an old topic.

I wanted to clear something up on the hallucinate debate...
Weed HAS given me OPEN-EYED hallucinations. It happens to me only when my tolerance is very low, my weed is NOT laced with PCP! (why would someone waste their money lacing weed anyway?!?) I had an O of some sativa strain and it only made me hallucinate in my first sessions smoking it because that's when I had a low tolerance... if it were laced it would have done it every time... Not only that but I also hallucinated the very first time I smoked when none of my friends tripped at all.

I had both visual and auditory hallucinations. I know the difference between hallucinations and blurred vision etc.. Btw, I saw stuff that wasnt there, it was more than visual distortions...

I still have minor hallucinations where I here things and also I get visual distortions which may or may not be classified as hallucinations...

You guys can say what you please.... but it is a FACT that weed can cause hallucinations.... I have also have talk to others who have seen stuff that wasnt there while high...


By the way great forum! I have a lot of reading to do...

Found this thread and it seems pretty interesting. Here are the definitions I learned for a Hallucination and an Illusion from my philosophy of mind class

Hallucination: perception in the absence of external stimuli. (so this would be like seeing a pink elephant, you're seeing it in your mind without it actually being present)
Illusion: an erroneous interpretation of external stimuli. (so this would be like seeing your pet dog, but for some reason he's blue; he's really there, but your visual interpretation of him is slightly distorted)

I agree weed makes me forget most of my dreams when I blaze before bed except one time I remember being in a plane about to skydive, but then I got paranoid and didn't jump

Mushrooms on the other hand have given me some nutty hallucinations like a face accross my neighbours duplex or the trees of the forest throwing pine cones at me hahah that shit was scary

meditation & truly natural stuff (including lucid dreaming) are so much better than drugs. with meditation you can work up to having a good high all the time without any bad effects, & it actually makes your concentration a lot better & causes you to be more successful which will bring you even more happiness. i used to be a daily marijuana smoker too but you cant deny the bad effects of it especially if you're thinking long term & the good part only lasts so long. after a few months of experience with daily meditation i'm so much happier with it than i was with marijuana, & i'd say i liked marijuana just as much as anyone else. i hope more people start discovering the same thing.

Originally Posted by ExoByte

Marijuana is a depressant, and it suppresses REM sleep. As it stands, REM sleep is the phases where the most vivid, memorable and just plain 'the most' dreaming occurs.

Marijuana is not a depressant, although there are side effects that could be attributed to this after the initial effects have worn off. After you come down from your high you are usually tired, my guess is that this is from excessive thinking, and eating food.

Having been apprehended for possession and forced to take a class, I can tell you what the "official" classification of marijuana is.

It is, in fact, a hallucinogen. Now you might say that you don't see things while high. . . but can you tell me you've never heard things? I certainly get all manner of audio hallucinations/distortions while high - matter of fact, this is one of my favorite effects of the drug.

That said, the hallucinogens are the most vastly heterogeneous "variety" of drugs - its sort of a category into which all drugs that can't be classified as the other three types of psychoactive drugs are thrown, so the fact that they're all labeled as the same type is misleading as to their actual similarity to one another. The main thing that applies to pretty much all hallucinogens is the presence of some affect on seratonin - again, this is probably a generalization and not true in all cases, but as somebody mentioned above, marijuana can have a slight affect on seratonin levels, and one would imagine that extremely high doses would have proportionately higher effects on seratonin.

I'm not a big fan of this classification system myself - its too broad and doesn't leave any room for the nuance of reality.

As for marijuana and dreaming, this almost certainly differs from one individual to the next. However, being part of a circle of stoner friends seems to confirm that weed, in most people, will reduce the amount you dream. When I smoke I smoke heavily, several times a day, and I also almost never dream during that time. I just recently stopped smoking after a long, long period of heavy smoking and my dreams have been TOO vivid and real. It seems that every moment I'm not awake I'm dreaming.

I often have strings of false awakenings - I'll think I just woke up, then I'll wake up again, then I'll wake up for real. My dreams also seem to have a much more negative tone - cemetaries have been popping up a lot lately, and there seems to be a running theme of people using some means to paralyze me with pain. In one somebody dug their fingers into my side so forcefully that I couldn't move from the extreme pain, and couldn't cry out for them to stop. Earlier today I dreamed that somebody applied some kind of freezing spray to the back of my neck/spine repeatedly, paralyzing me - again, I could not move or speak to resist.

All this in stark opposition to periods when I'm smoking, in which I'll be lucky to remember a single dream over the period of two weeks. And the ones I do remember are completely neutral and insignificant. For instance, I'll dream that I'm walking down a hallway for ten minutes. . . that will be a whole dream.

Originally Posted by buckly

does anyone have an explanation why if i go to bed stoned, i seem to not dream? im sorry if the question sounds stupid but i really have noticed that when i smoke 2 or 3 hours before i go to bed i seem to not dream. any thoughts would be appreciated.

Buckly, try not getting "Stoned" 3 hours before bed.

Ive always smoke pot in moderation, and ive found that taking a few hits from my bowl a hour or so before bed, doesn't effect my dreams at all.

In fact lately i havent been dreaming as much or lucid dreaming at all since i havent been smoking any pot

u still dream u just cant remember , lucky for me when i do smoke i still remember my dreams

Originally Posted by Archem

This is why though many people experience "enlightenment" or "mind expansion" during intoxication, few can remember the specific thoughts that they experienced with the increased alpha-wave brain function that THC ptovides.


just a thought

I GET THAT!!! my ideas become so intense i create all sorts of theories. But that intenseness comes with me believing I am crazy. I never realized marijuana had depressant qualities maybe thats why I think I'm insane when I smoke.

hah im 16 and have been smoking dank bud like GOds gift mowie wowie and some bubba kush since i was 14 everyday and have never hallucinated before just blurry vision from being tired. so i dont kno what the fuck you people are talking about.

i stopped smoking weed about 6 weeks ago, after nearly 16 years of daily use, and the dreams i've been getting are very intense, emotionally charged and often pertaining to things in my past.
when i was smoking i would wake up and remember little bits and pieces about the dream i had, but now i have almost total recall... my husband used to tell me his dreams in vivid detail and i used to get quite jealous, now my dream stories are twice as long as his.

I can record and remember dreams just fine and I smoke everyday. In fact my REM cycle starts just an hour and half to 2 hours upon falling asleep. The only times I can remember my REM being repressed due to weed is when I smoke mass amounts, like an eighth or more in one night. I often smoke all day long and it doesn't even effect my REM.

Originally Posted by ExoByte

Marijuana is a depressant, and it suppresses REM sleep. As it stands, REM sleep is the phases where the most vivid, memorable and just plain 'the most' dreaming occurs.

If you knew anything about weed you would know there's sativa and indica. Cannabis Sativa is a stimulant and indica is a depressant.
It just effects short term memory therefor you probably forget your dreams somewhere in the transition of waking up.

go learn something about it.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...14414651731007

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis.shtml

Cannabis lowers your natural frequency,awareness in general is affected and your stuck in a "Willow to Wisp" state of mind.your level of conciousness determines the strengh of your dreams and the ability to remember them.
The brain is a network of different energy currents that run through the atom particles in your brain,conciousness levels are determined by how fast the nuerons and electrons are spinning round the nucleus of each atom,this is what causes atoms to vibrate(stay with me here).when your at your natural frequency(which most of us aren't)the particles are a much better conductor for the brains energy currents than when your not.
Basically the higher the frenquency the more awake you are and the more awake you are in the day the more likely you are to achieve conciousness whilst dreaming.