Thread: marijuana and dreaming

Marijuana is a depressant, and it suppresses REM sleep. As it stands, REM sleep is the phases where the most vivid, memorable and just plain 'the most' dreaming occurs.

Yeah, ExoByte explained it well. If there's less REM sleep, it follows that there'd be less dreaming...though an idea would be to..get stoned earlier in the night and hope for a REM rebound...after such a lack of dreaming, perhaps towards morning you'd notice much more vivid dreams...Hmm...that in combination with sleep deprivation, pulling an all nighter and smoking this little happy weed before bed could give some killer dreams..though I don't suggest that stuff Yes I do.

Sorry for getting off topic but yes, on the whole, MJ will lessen dreaming.

Oh man that's bad news for me. I guess I'll quit. LDing is more important than smoking (or anything else at this point) to me.

Originally Posted by ExoByte

Marijuana is a depressant, and it suppresses REM sleep. As it stands, REM sleep is the phases where the most vivid, memorable and just plain 'the most' dreaming occurs.

WRONG It's a hullucinogen. THC affect people differnt, a user used to it acts as a depressent, but it's actualy a hullucinogen.

It still exhibits a number of qualities, one of them being depressant. Whether it falls into the Hallucinogenic category or not is irrelevant because even if it exhibits hallucinogenic qualities, it also exhibits depressant qualities which is what is important in this discussion. What cannot be denied no matter what category it falls into is that it suppresses REM sleep. This is a tested and studied fact.

So if you want to be politically correct fine, but it changes nothing.

Originally Posted by ExoByte

It still exhibits a number of qualities, one of them being depressant. Whether it falls into the Hallucinogenic category or not is irrelevant because even if it exhibits hallucinogenic qualities, it also exhibits depressant qualities which is what is important in this discussion. What cannot be denied no matter what category it falls into is that it suppresses REM sleep. This is a tested and studied fact.

So if you want to be politically correct fine, but it changes nothing.

It's chill dude, I was just being an ass for ass's reason. Sorry I didn't mean to affend.

For me it's far to hallucinogenic to sleep with. I find myself walking in a dream as soon as my eye close. It's too intence, and never real enough for me to want to explore. I never could get to sleep wile "high" however, as soon as it wears off it knocks me out (well used to, now I just get up and do shit so I don't get tierd). And I wake up the next morning remembering nothing of sleep.

I think it, atleast for me, supresses to much to remember anything vivid. I remember a few dreams over the years (when I slept after it). Vivid colors but nothing more, no interactions with people, no landscapes. Just colors.

Marijuana isn't really a depressent. When you first smoke, it takes a while for you to get to your peak high. Usually about 15-30 mins depending on the amount and the method, and during this time your usually not tired or sleepy. Once the weed starts to wear off you start to feel something called 'burn out' where you get really tired and sleepy. Most likely due to accelerated heart rate for an extended amount of time.

As for suppressing REM sleep, I'm not so sure again. THC affects your short term memory, so its probable that you are having dreams and just cant remember. Sometimes I can get high and still remember dreams, but that just comes with tolerance.

It really depends on the strain of the marijuana. You see cannabis is like wine there are many flavors and variety's, Sativas have more THC than CBD's and tend to have more of a psychedelic "upper" energetic quality to them while Indica's tend to have more CBD's than THC causing a more narcotic depressant high.

Marijuana is considered a mild hallucinogen with depressent properties. So, you are both right. You can find that information anyhwere on the web to back it up.

One other thing that hasen't been mentioned... whether or not THC affects you as a depressant...

While under the influence of the hallucinogen, THC alters short-term memory. This is why though many people experience "enlightenment" or "mind expansion" during intoxication, few can remember the specific thoughts that they experienced with the increased alpha-wave brain function that THC ptovides.

therefore, any active THC content in your blood while trying to LD could actually inhibit your ability to have any cohesive short-term memory, which could prohibit any success whatsoever.

just a thought

For more information check out this recent thread: http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=60165

i dont know why all you dreamers are so UN-open minded when it comes to this stuff... it seems that you guys only think one way about drugs and your mind cant change..... weed (along with pretty much errthing else) effects people differently. putting a name on what kind of drug it is tells you absolutely NOTHING. trust me. i mean it does tell you some facts, but the effects it causes varies greatly. having A LOT of experience with marijuana, i think the only affect it will have on a habitual smoker (trying to lucid dream) is your concentration. it does cause your mind to wander quite easily, and if you gain lucidity in your dream while your still stoned, it is more likely that you will forget your lucidity and ur LD will drift into being a regular dream. however, if you arent used to smokin da herb, dream recall might be reduced simply because ur body isnt used to comming down off of the high. your body will just kinda... knock out and ull sleep and forget about dreaming in general. lol

I agree, being a smoker myself, but there are still chemical characteristics of THC which would inhibit proper concentration. I'm not saying that you, as a smoker can't overcome that, but I just think that the chemical aspects of THC, that have been proven to inhibit short-term memory, might be something LDers might want to stay away from, especially if they are looking for something that will help INDUCE LDs.

Basically I've found if I want to have better dream recall don't smoke within about 7 hours of going to bed.

Originally Posted by Patmandoo

Oh man that's bad news for me. I guess I'll quit. LDing is more important than smoking (or anything else at this point) to me.

Really though, theres no reason to quit altogether, just quit smoking in the evening, you can still enjoy a nice smoke during the day!

I personally will NEVER quit, I can't see myself not being a smoker, its really not addiction more then just a thing i like to do, like play videogames, I can't see myself stopping playing videogames...

I do however recomend you don't smoke at night, I do anyways but I have been slacking off on LDing so IDC much really, but if you want dreams, just smoke during the day, thats all

Originally Posted by kogatojr

WRONG It's a hullucinogen. THC affect people differnt, a user used to it acts as a depressent, but it's actualy a hullucinogen.

Actually, cannabis falls under a number of various classifications- coming from what you said, this is understandable, in some ways it can even act as a stimulant.

I get lucids when stoned. Is it just me?

I guarantee no one in this forum has ever hallucinated from smoking just weed...

If you have ever hallucinated from smoking weed then that weed was most definately laced with something.

Closed eye visuals are NOT hallucinations.

Originally Posted by LucidFreedoM

I guarantee no one in this forum has ever hallucinated from smoking just weed...

If you have ever hallucinated from smoking weed then that weed was most definately laced with something.

Closed eye visuals are NOT hallucinations.

Man you can hallucinate from smokin weed.

You just gotta smoke a lot. Not in joints.. make a big bath bong 'a waterfall'

Have like 4 of them.

You can hallucinate with like coloured dots everywhere smiler to shrooms.

Also my mate and I were so stoned.. I was talkin to him for about 3hours and jerking my body and speech kinda like body popping very little with every movement to fuck with his head.. he was so fucked and tripping he thought it was him. lmfao his reaction when I told him what I had been doing.

But yeah

you can trip. Just gotta smoke it differently. Or eat it.

Originally Posted by LucidFreedoM

I guarantee no one in this forum has ever hallucinated from smoking just weed...

If you have ever hallucinated from smoking weed then that weed was most definately laced with something.

Closed eye visuals are NOT hallucinations.

you never had the chance to hit a bowl of some fine ass dank when you had a low tolerance... shit's like acid man. now, hell no i don't see a damn thing but when i first started i straight up SAW SHIT. and no it wasn't fuckin laced.

Originally Posted by lysergic

you never had the chance to hit a bowl of some fine ass dank when you had a low tolerance... shit's like acid man. now, hell no i don't see a damn thing but when i first started i straight up SAW SHIT. and no it wasn't fuckin laced.

I agree.. you smoke enough good shit it can be like acid.

I ate a load of space brownies..

man

I tripped out to f*ck

Cat stared me out and turned into something so fuckin creepy.. I threw her out and called my mate up.. couldn't stay at home for like a week. Kept falling backwards until I was going round in a circle.. man

was trippeh lol

Animals know when your caned

Originally Posted by Lunica

I agree.. you smoke enough good shit it can be like acid.

I ate a load of space brownies..

man

I tripped out to f*ck

Cat stared me out and turned into something so fuckin creepy.. I threw her out and called my mate up.. couldn't stay at home for like a week. Kept falling backwards until I was going round in a circle.. man

was trippeh lol

Animals know when your caned

they probably smell it, and see you tripping your face off, and make the connection whenever they smell it on you xD

Originally Posted by lysergic

you never had the chance to hit a bowl of some fine ass dank when you had a low tolerance... shit's like acid man. now, hell no i don't see a damn thing but when i first started i straight up SAW SHIT. and no it wasn't fuckin laced.

Man ive been the highest of highs when my tolerance was low, with the dankest weed. Ive been so ripped I couldnt comprehend what was going on. And yes, I have definately seen shit too when I was high. One time when I was walking home, I looked over my shoulder and I swear to god I saw the virgin mary standing on the side of the road. I saw squirrels running at me in the dark once too. I also swear this one time I saw trails of light and flashing strobes around the traffic lights when I walked home. I was tripping balls. Your not yourself when your super super baked. Sometimes cant even control whats going on. All your logical thinking is usually gone too.
You cant hallucinate. Your just tripping balls.
If you've done shrooms you know what a hallucination is.

And to the person above your post..sounds like you were just tripping balls over your cat. Definately done that before. I hate that spinning feeling though too. If its the same as mine when im super super baked. Like your constantly falling backwards, and if you were to fall backwards it sort of feels like you'd spin all the way around? Weird, in your gut, sorta feeling.

Also, I swear to god my dog knows when im ripped. Lol.

sounds like a lot of you guys are shitty stoners... hahaha jk. but if someone says thay see dots and meltin colors like they just took shrooms, then LET EM see the dots. like i said. i dont like u dreamer's UN-open-mindedness when it comes to the greatest drug of all mankind. =p no hard feelings to anybody BTW.