Thread: marijuana and dreaming

Originally Posted by kogatojr

WRONG It's a hullucinogen. THC affect people differnt, a user used to it acts as a depressent, but it's actualy a hullucinogen.

Actually, cannabis falls under a number of various classifications- coming from what you said, this is understandable, in some ways it can even act as a stimulant.

I get lucids when stoned. Is it just me?

I guarantee no one in this forum has ever hallucinated from smoking just weed...

If you have ever hallucinated from smoking weed then that weed was most definately laced with something.

Closed eye visuals are NOT hallucinations.

Originally Posted by LucidFreedoM

I guarantee no one in this forum has ever hallucinated from smoking just weed...

If you have ever hallucinated from smoking weed then that weed was most definately laced with something.

Closed eye visuals are NOT hallucinations.

Man you can hallucinate from smokin weed.

You just gotta smoke a lot. Not in joints.. make a big bath bong 'a waterfall'

Have like 4 of them.

You can hallucinate with like coloured dots everywhere smiler to shrooms.

Also my mate and I were so stoned.. I was talkin to him for about 3hours and jerking my body and speech kinda like body popping very little with every movement to fuck with his head.. he was so fucked and tripping he thought it was him. lmfao his reaction when I told him what I had been doing.

But yeah

you can trip. Just gotta smoke it differently. Or eat it.

Originally Posted by Lunica

Man you can hallucinate from smokin weed.

You just gotta smoke a lot. Not in joints.. make a big bath bong 'a waterfall'

Have like 4 of them.

You can hallucinate with like coloured dots everywhere smiler to shrooms.

Also my mate and I were so stoned.. I was talkin to him for about 3hours and jerking my body and speech kinda like body popping very little with every movement to fuck with his head.. he was so fucked and tripping he thought it was him. lmfao his reaction when I told him what I had been doing.

But yeah

you can trip. Just gotta smoke it differently. Or eat it.

Weed isn't an hallucinogen lol. Unless it is laced with PCP or something then it will not cause you to hallucinate. It impairs your vision causing blurriness and distorting your perspective of objects.. Vision impairment and hallucinating a 2 totally different things.

Hallucinating is seeing things that aren't really there... as to where vision impairment is your perspective has just become distorted. seeing colored dots would fall under vision impairment. You can stare at a tv screen for a minute then blink your eyes and see colored dots and shit like that. lol




Everybody who thinks they can hallucinate of weed either doesn't know the difference between hallucinating and vision impairment or was smoking weed laced with something else.

Originally Posted by Rusty Shackleford

Weed isn't an hallucinogen lol. Unless it is laced with PCP or something then it will not cause you to hallucinate. It impairs your vision causing blurriness and distorting your perspective of objects.. Vision impairment and hallucinating a 2 totally different things.

Hallucinating is seeing things that aren't really there... as to where vision impairment is your perspective has just become distorted. seeing colored dots would fall under vision impairment. You can stare at a tv screen for a minute then blink your eyes and see colored dots and shit like that. lol




Everybody who thinks they can hallucinate of weed either doesn't know the difference between hallucinating and vision impairment or was smoking weed laced with something else.

I know the difference... I have taken a lot of shrooms and acid.. I know what hallucinating is.


http://www.erowid.org/ask/ask.php?ID=33


seeing florescent dots everywhere and spinning lines around the room is hallucinating if you ask me.

try smoking a lot till your jaw is shakin.. you will trip out then.


You can hallucinate from sleep deprivation. Smoking weed and trippin out aint that far fetched.

Originally Posted by Lunica

I know the difference... I have taken a lot of shrooms and acid.. I know what hallucinating is.


http://www.erowid.org/ask/ask.php?ID=33


seeing florescent dots everywhere and spinning lines around the room is hallucinating if you ask me.

try smoking a lot till your jaw is shakin.. you will trip out then.


You can hallucinate from sleep deprivation. Smoking weed and trippin out aint that far fetched.

Jaw shaking?? Wtf are smoking meth?

Seeing seeing florescent dots everywhere and spinning lines isn't hallucinating. That is just your vision being distorted. My father is an Optometrist... I have had this discussion many times with him. Seeing objects and hearing sounds that aren't really there are hallucinations. Seeing dots, lines shapes blurriness is all symptoms of vision impairment.


Yes I know you can hallucinate from sleep deprivation....... but you are really off base to be comparing sleep deprivation to smoking weed.


Believe what you want to.... if you think you're hallucinating more power to you. Just ask yourself if it is really sherm you're smoking.

Originally Posted by Rusty Shackleford

Weed isn't an hallucinogen lol. Unless it is laced with PCP or something then it will not cause you to hallucinate. It impairs your vision causing blurriness and distorting your perspective of objects.. Vision impairment and hallucinating a 2 totally different things.

Hallucinating is seeing things that aren't really there... as to where vision impairment is your perspective has just become distorted. seeing colored dots would fall under vision impairment. You can stare at a tv screen for a minute then blink your eyes and see colored dots and shit like that. lol




Everybody who thinks they can hallucinate of weed either doesn't know the difference between hallucinating and vision impairment or was smoking weed laced with something else.

Okay, just to set the record straight:
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis.shtml

Originally Posted by Erowid

EFFECTS CLASSIFICATION
Intoxicant; Stimulant; Psychedelic; Depressant

Weed can't be classified into just one group. It has different effects and affects everyone differently.
Nobody has to be a jerk about the facts.

Some of the known effects:

Originally Posted by Erowid

POSITIVE

* mood lift, euphoria
* laughter
* relaxation, stress reduction
* creative, philosophical or deep thinking : ideas flow more easily
* increased appreciation of music. More aware of, deeper connection to music.
* increased awareness of senses. (eating, drinking, smell)
* change in experience of muscle fatigue. Pleasant body feel. Increase in body/mind connection.
* pain relief (headaches, cramps)
* reduced nausea, increased appetite (used medically for this)
* boring tasks or entertainment can become more interesting or funny

NEUTRAL

* general change in consciousness (as with many psychoactives)
* increased appetite, snacky-ness
* slowness (slow driving, talking)
* change in vision such as sharpened colors or lights
* closed-eye visuals (somewhat uncommon)
* tiredness, sleepiness, lethargy
* stimulation, inability to sleep (less common)
* blood shot eyes (more common with certain varieties of cannabis and inexperienced users)
* mouth dryness, sticky-mouth (varies with strain)
* interrupts linear memory. Difficulty following a train of thought.
* cheek, jaw, facial tension / numbness (less commonly reported)
* racing thoughts (especially at high doses)
* increased emotional impact of music
* Time sense altered: cars seem like they are moving too fast, time dilation and compression are common at higher doses

Originally Posted by Rusty Shackleford

Weed isn't an hallucinogen lol. Unless it is laced with PCP or something then it will not cause you to hallucinate.

Hallucinating is seeing things that aren't really there... as to where vision impairment is your perspective has just become distorted. seeing colored dots would fall under vision impairment. You can stare at a tv screen for a minute then blink your eyes and see colored dots and shit like that.

Trust me, I've hallucinated on weed. And by hallucinated I mean seen and heard things that weren't actually there. Maybe you can write off my "hallucinations" as impaired vision, but to me, seeing colorful dots and shapes is hallucination because it is seeing something that is not really there. As far as auditory hallucinations, I know for a fact weed can give you that because its something that has happened to me on several occasions.

Originally Posted by GreyDecay

Trust me, I've hallucinated on weed. And by hallucinated I mean seen and heard things that weren't actually there. Maybe you can write off my "hallucinations" as impaired vision, but to me, seeing colorful dots and shapes is hallucination because it is seeing something that is not really there. As far as auditory hallucinations, I know for a fact weed can give you that because its something that has happened to me on several occasions.

That it makes you hallucinate doesn't mean it's a hallucinogen. It means you hallucinate on THC. But as long as it doesn't make most people hallucinate it's not a hallucinogen. I hallucinate on milk. Does that make it a hallucinogen? No, because it doesn't make everyone hallucinate. It's advised to not use marijuana when you have mental diseases because it can make them worse. I'm not saying you have a mental disease but I think it is quite possible that because of the marijuana some things that are already there but otherwise unnoticed are intensified so that you start hallucinating.

I'm not trying to offend you or anything.

Originally Posted by LucidFreedoM

I guarantee no one in this forum has ever hallucinated from smoking just weed...

If you have ever hallucinated from smoking weed then that weed was most definately laced with something.

Closed eye visuals are NOT hallucinations.

you never had the chance to hit a bowl of some fine ass dank when you had a low tolerance... shit's like acid man. now, hell no i don't see a damn thing but when i first started i straight up SAW SHIT. and no it wasn't fuckin laced.

Originally Posted by lysergic

you never had the chance to hit a bowl of some fine ass dank when you had a low tolerance... shit's like acid man. now, hell no i don't see a damn thing but when i first started i straight up SAW SHIT. and no it wasn't fuckin laced.

I agree.. you smoke enough good shit it can be like acid.

I ate a load of space brownies..

man

I tripped out to f*ck

Cat stared me out and turned into something so fuckin creepy.. I threw her out and called my mate up.. couldn't stay at home for like a week. Kept falling backwards until I was going round in a circle.. man

was trippeh lol

Animals know when your caned

Originally Posted by Lunica

I agree.. you smoke enough good shit it can be like acid.

I ate a load of space brownies..

man

I tripped out to f*ck

Cat stared me out and turned into something so fuckin creepy.. I threw her out and called my mate up.. couldn't stay at home for like a week. Kept falling backwards until I was going round in a circle.. man

was trippeh lol

Animals know when your caned

they probably smell it, and see you tripping your face off, and make the connection whenever they smell it on you xD

Originally Posted by lysergic

you never had the chance to hit a bowl of some fine ass dank when you had a low tolerance... shit's like acid man. now, hell no i don't see a damn thing but when i first started i straight up SAW SHIT. and no it wasn't fuckin laced.

Man ive been the highest of highs when my tolerance was low, with the dankest weed. Ive been so ripped I couldnt comprehend what was going on. And yes, I have definately seen shit too when I was high. One time when I was walking home, I looked over my shoulder and I swear to god I saw the virgin mary standing on the side of the road. I saw squirrels running at me in the dark once too. I also swear this one time I saw trails of light and flashing strobes around the traffic lights when I walked home. I was tripping balls. Your not yourself when your super super baked. Sometimes cant even control whats going on. All your logical thinking is usually gone too.
You cant hallucinate. Your just tripping balls.
If you've done shrooms you know what a hallucination is.

And to the person above your post..sounds like you were just tripping balls over your cat. Definately done that before. I hate that spinning feeling though too. If its the same as mine when im super super baked. Like your constantly falling backwards, and if you were to fall backwards it sort of feels like you'd spin all the way around? Weird, in your gut, sorta feeling.

Also, I swear to god my dog knows when im ripped. Lol.

sounds like a lot of you guys are shitty stoners... hahaha jk. but if someone says thay see dots and meltin colors like they just took shrooms, then LET EM see the dots. like i said. i dont like u dreamer's UN-open-mindedness when it comes to the greatest drug of all mankind. =p no hard feelings to anybody BTW.

Originally Posted by punkstar

sounds like a lot of you guys are shitty stoners... hahaha jk. but if someone says thay see dots and meltin colors like they just took shrooms, then LET EM see the dots. like i said. i dont like u dreamer's UN-open-mindedness when it comes to the greatest drug of all mankind. =p no hard feelings to anybody BTW.

Say what? Your comment has left me wondering wether you are pro marijuana or anti marijuana.
Either way here's my own experience with Marijuana and Dreaming. Generally I experience negative effects on my Dreamrecall HOWEVER sometimes it seems to intensely potentiate my dreams' vividness. I have found out that smoking hash ( having become a hashsmoker for abt. 2 years ) has much more desirable effects. Often I have really psychedelicly enhanced dreams on hash and plenty of recall. Even if I go to sleep stoned as stoned could be from hash I'll still have as much recall as I'll have in aperiod of non smoking. Sometimes it even seems to enhance the vividness.

In my experiences I've had crazy dreams after smoking, but whether i remember them or not is the problem. Maybe you just don't think you're dreaming cause you can't remember them. Just a thought.

it is not a Hullucinogen
its a psychoactive herb

u still dream u just cant remember , lucky for me when i do smoke i still remember my dreams

whenever i smoke n toke before bed i can more easily detach myself from my physical state

ur 100 percent right...marijuana will not cause you to hallucinate no matter how much you smoke....if ur seeing shit then u better check up on ur diet and ensure your eating right and getting enoguh water into you as smoking in general will weaken your body
theres so many factors that could cause hallucinations but thc is definantly not one of them----its a competative inhibitor and nothing else----u may be confusing a mushroom trip

"Data from Isbell et a]. (1967) and Perez-Reyes et al. (1971) have indicated that the hallucinogenic oral dose is in the range of 0.4 to 0.5 mg./kg Delta 9 THC. Thus, the hallucinogenic dose is 80 times larger than the delivered dose of smoked marihuana producing minimal subjective effects (five micrograms/kg.) or about 11 to 14 times larger than the usual smoked dose."

Any experienced weed user knows you can get hallucinogenic effects from a large oral or possibly smoked dose. For some it is difficult to smoke enough to produce significant hallucinogenic effects, so an oral dose is the best way.

Too many unexperienced people associate hallucinogens with seeing animate unreal visual hallucinations. In reality most common hallucinogens start with internal effects, and you don't get any intense visuals until you take a relatively high dose. Like mushrooms, you typically won't get strong visuals unless you eat more than 7-10 gs, yet many people can still have an enjoyable moderate trip with 1.5-2 gs.

Originally Posted by lucid4sho

"Data from Isbell et a]. (1967) and Perez-Reyes et al. (1971) have indicated that the hallucinogenic oral dose is in the range of 0.4 to 0.5 mg./kg Delta 9 THC. Thus, the hallucinogenic dose is 80 times larger than the delivered dose of smoked marihuana producing minimal subjective effects (five micrograms/kg.) or about 11 to 14 times larger than the usual smoked dose."

Any experienced weed user knows you can get hallucinogenic effects from a large oral or possibly smoked dose. For some it is difficult to smoke enough to produce significant hallucinogenic effects, so an oral dose is the best way.

Too many unexperienced people associate hallucinogens with seeing animate unreal visual hallucinations. In reality most common hallucinogens start with internal effects, and you don't get any intense visuals until you take a relatively high dose. Like mushrooms, you typically won't get strong visuals unless you eat more than 7-10 gs, yet many people can still have an enjoyable moderate trip with 1.5-2 gs.

Ok true enough i guess it has hallucinogenic properties...but so little--
explain the 'internal' effects cuz i still dont follow on that
i associate hallucinations with any unreal visual/sound/ or any unreal perception(closing your eyes and seeing shit doesnt count)

Hallucinogens alter more than just visual/auditory perception. They greatly alter your thoughts/emotions, often long before you take a dose high enough to cause exceptional visual hallucination. I agree thc should not be categorized as a hallucinogen because lots of drugs like opiates/hypnotics/anesthetics/etc.. can have hallucinogenic type effects. Most hallucinogens work indirectly by triggering the brain to induce the state, so other drugs can do the same, you can trigger similar states with meditation, or of course while sleeping.